1966 Reasons why I don't want Englan to win WC2006

[eamo]

admin said:

eamo said:

Take out John Barnes (best English player of his generation and legend), Peter Beardsley (next best English player of his generation and legend), Stevie Nicol (Scottish and legend) and Steve McMahon (legend and harmless) and I'll go along with that.

Great call on Phil Neal and Sammy Lee - I hate both of them

For some reason I always end up in disagreement with Eamo:

- Steve Nicol refused to wear an Ireland scarf in a photo at Kenilworth Road. He was posing for a photo with me and my brothers and I had an Ireland scarf on and he said "I'm not standing in the same photo as someone wearing that." My dad said "fair enough so" and didn't take the photo. Nicol tried to explain it away in the aftermath by saying he thought it was a Celtic scarf but that wouldn't have mattered anyway. Proper arsehole.

- Barnes I would include for the reason that he had the gall to imply on a BBC documentary that he was sacked from Celtic for race reasons. He says that it wasn't racist but it was because of the "dynamics of when a black manager is at a club." Transcript of programme from BBC website:

BARNES:
Kenny Dalglish was taken as technical director and he insisted on me coming. He trusted me, he knew me, we'd worked together before so he had belief in me. And although we won 12 of the first 13 or 14 matches, I realised very early on that you know if I lost a couple of matches, because everyone there wasn't fully behind, or wasn't, not necessarily supportive, they were supportive while I was there and they were behind me when I was there but they weren't all in favour of the appointment. So I knew that because they are not in favour of the appointment if I lose three or four of the matches that will just reinforce, yes, we've got the wrong man.

KING:
I think John Barnes' situation for me is what I call the one theory, black players are given one chance and that's it. I think John Barnes is a very interesting situation, here is a black player, that we've been told that he is probably the best role model we have had for 20 years, and if he makes it we can do it anywhere. The fact that he didn't make it at Celtic, maybe implicitly saying that black players are not ready at the moment.

MARSHALL:
John Barnes was sacked after only eight months and some poor results. You are not suggesting there was racism involved in Celtic's decision?

BARNES:
Not at all. In fact my Englishness seemed to be more of a problem than my blackness up there! But no, in no way was I accusing Celtic of racism but we are talking of the dynamics of when a black manager is at a club. In many respects it is unconscious. You know it's unconscious, you say to people, you tell people your ideas it is unconscious in terms of you can see do they actually believe what you are telling them. That is what I'm talking about. Not necessarily the Chairman, the directors, it's everybody concerned with the club. Ricky Hill was at Luton, as much as everyone loved Ricky as a player and may have loved me as a player, when you become a manager do they actually have the belief in what you are telling them?

Interesting one re Steve Nicol. He deserves to be in for that. I take everything back.

Barnes was a smashing footballer and one of the greatest players to pull on a Liverpool shirt. Dare I say it Rock - you dont know that what Barnes says wasn't true.

[bandage]

Can see this one getting ugly! Of all the things to accuse Celtic of I must admit I never expected racism to be one of them.

[therock67]

I can't allow that last comment to go unchecked. Both Nicol and Barnes were good players - Barnes was better than good but the point I am making is that it doesn't cloud my judgement of their actions. Nicol was a decent player and a cock. End of story - welcome to the list.

Barnes was an excellent player but what he said above was massively unwarranted. Racism is a serious issue and a serious problem in English (and Scottish) football. It serves no purpose however to dress up intolerance of incompetence as racism, however implied and disguised he wants to make that comment. Barnes was not up to the job and the biggest reason for people turning against him was probably Liam Brady. The fans learned their lesson at that time that they did not want someone serving their managerial apprenticeship at Celtic. Barnes was appointed in spite of this but he clearly wasn't up to it. In all his interviews he specified exactly what formation he would be playing and that he'd never change from it. Those are the actions of an inept manager.

I think it behoves all of us to exercise caution when throwing around allegations of intolerance or racism because it dilutes the real problem when it is used to mask other issues.

[bandage]

Barnes' 4-2-2-2 formation - never really caught on, did it?

[iamthelaw]

eamo said:

Dare I say it Rock - you dont know that what Barnes says wasn't true.

I know what you mean here Eamo, obviously Barnes was closer to events than we are, but the principle is always "innocent till proven guilty". If one is allowed make allegations such as these, without producing any supporting evidence, that principle falls.

Disappointing that the interviewer didn't demand specific instances of racism, that might be possible to refute. Unsurprising though.

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1060  A. Carr
1061  A.Paul Mellows
1062  A.W.C. Morgan
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1077  Albert White
1078  Alexander Archer
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1084  Alister McCorquodale McCorquodale
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1089  Allan Whitwell
1090  Allen D.S.O.Whitty
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1094  Andrew Holmes
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1096  Andrew Justice
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1098  Andrew McDonald
1099  Andy Parker
1100  Angelo Parisi
1101  Anita Lonsborough
1102  Ann Moore
1103  Ann Osgerby
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1105  Ann Pashley
1106  Annie Speirs
1107  Anthony Nunn
1108  Anthony Robinson
1109  Anthony Willis
1110  Archibald Stinchcombe
1111  Arnold N.S.Jackson
1112  Arthur Berry
1113  Arthur Brittain
1114  Arthur E.Hill
1115  Arthur E.Knight
1116  Arthur F. R. Wiggins
1117  Arthur F.Leighton
1118  Arthur G.K.Brown
1119  Arthur L.Sulley
1120  Arthur Mapp
1121  Arthur Rook
1122  Arthur S.Garton
1123  Audley Harrison
1124  Audrey Brown
1125  Audrey Williamson
1126  B Burke
1127  B H.MacDonald
1128  Barry Dagger
1129  Basil Heatley
1130  Basil Williams
1131  Beaufort Burdekin
1132  Ben Ainslie
1133  Ben Hunt-Davis
1134  Bertie Bushnell
1135  Beverley Callender
1136  Beverly Goddard
1137  Bobby McGregor
1138  Bradley Wiggins
1139  Brian Brinkley
1140  Brian Jacks
1141  Brian Phelps
1142  Bridget Parker
1143  Bruce Logan
1144  Bryan Steel
1145  C Green
1146  C H.A.Porter
1147  C M.Jeans
1148  C N.Seedhouse
1149  C.S.Ian Scott
1150  Campbell Walsh
1151  Capt R G.Fanshawe
1152  Capt.A B.J.Scott
1153  Capt.B J.Fowler
1154  Capt.D Dawnay
1155  Capt.H P.Guiness
1156  Capt.W R.N.Hinde
1157  Carl A. Erhardt
1158  Carol Quinton
1159  Cath Bishop
1160  Cathy Gibson
1161  Cecil R.Griffiths
1162  Cecilia Colledge
1163  Charles Stanley.H.Shoveller S.W.Marcon
1164  Charles B.M.Lloyd
1165  Charles Bugbee
1166  Charles Currey
1167  Charles Dixon
1168  Charles G.Rought
1169  Charles Gunn
1170  Charles Holland
1171  Charles Palmer
1172  Charles R.M.Eley
1173  Charles S.Atkin
1174  Charles S.Leaf
1175  Charles S.Smith
1176  Charles Spedding
1177  Charles Stewart
1178  Charles T.King
1179  Charles W. B. Littlejohn
1180  Charles Wiggin
1181  Chris Boardman
1182  Chris Brasher
1183  Chris Draper
1184  Chris Hoy
1185  Chris Mahoney
1186  Chris Newton
1187  Christopher A.Boardman
1188  Christopher Baillieu
1189  Christopher Barton
1190  Christopher Davies
1191  Christopher Finnegan
1192  Christopher Jones
1193  Clarence Callender
1194  Clive Lewis
1195  Colin Jackson
1196  Colin Moynihan
1197  Colin Ratsey
1198  Courtney Rumbolt
1199  Craig Maclean
1200  Crew H.Stoneley
1201  Cyril T.A. Wilkinson
1202  Cyril A.Alden
1203  Cyril M.Wright
1204  Cyril W.Gill
1205  Cyril W.Mackworth-Praed
1206  D Bingham
1207  D Day
1208  D Woods
1209  D. Eagan
1210  D.H. Segal
1211  D.L.S. Brodie
1212  Daley Thompson
1213  Danny Nightindale
1214  Daphne Arden
1215  David Bowker
1216  David Broome
1217  David Davies
1218  David Dunne
1219  David Faulkner
1220  David Grindley
1221  David H.Jacobs
1222  David Hemery
1223  David Hunt
1224  David J.C.Meyrick
1225  David J.W.Bond
1226  David Jenkins
1227  David Jones
1228  David Lowe
1229  David Maxwell
1230  David Mercer
1231  David Ottley
1232  David Ricketts
1233  David Starbrook
1234  David Townsend
1235  David Westcott
1236  David Wilkie
1237  Dean Ward
1238  Debbie Flood
1239  Denise Lewis
1240  Dennis Stewart
1241  Denys Carnill
1242  Derek Allhusen
1243  Derek Ibbotson
1244  Derek J.N.Johnson
1245  Diana Clapham
1246  Diane Bell
1247  Dominic Mahony
1248  Don Thompson
1249  Donald Burgess
1250  Donald Finlay
1251  Donald Gollan
1252  Donald Scott
1253  Donna Hartley
1254  Dorothy Holman
1255  Dorothy Hyman
1256  Dorothy Manley
1257  Dorothy Odam
1258  Dorothy Shirley
1259  Dorothy W.Wright
1260  Douglas G.A.Lowe
1261  Douglas McWhirter
1262  Duncan Goodhew
1263  Duncan McDougall
1264  E Gordon Hanney
1265  E A.Beamish
1266  E C. Pickles
1267  E E. Jacob
1268  E G. D. Wright
1269  E Glover
1270  E Hiscock
1271  E J. Roney
1272  E J.Henley
1273  E J.Toms
1274  E L.Coyler
1275  E L.Parnell
1276  E Owen
1277  E P.Peters
1278  E Seymour
1279  E Skilton
1280  E Swann
1281  E V.Mills
1282  E.A.Paul Bircher
1283  Ed Coode
1284  Edgar Brenchley
1285  Edgar R.Burgess
1286  Edith M.Hannam
1287  Edna Valerie Davies
1288  Edna T.Hughes
1289  Edward J.Lessimore
1290  Edward R.Smouha
1291  Edward V.Bevan
1292  Edwin Mills
1293  Eileen Armstrong
1294  Eileen Hiscock
1295  Elise Laverick
1296  Elizabeth Ferris
1297  Ellen King
1298  Elliott Bunney
1299  Emmanuel McDonald Bailey
1300  Eric B.Crockfort
1301  Eric H.Liddell
1302  Ernest A.Johnson
1303  Ernest A.Thorn
1304  Ernest H.Chambers
1305  Ernest Harper
1306  Ernest Webb
1307  Ewart D.Horsfall
1308  Ewart Douglas Horsfall
1309  F Barker
1310  F E.Guest
1311  F F.Wolff
1312  F J.McEvoy
1313  F N.Hibbins
1314  F. Peter Higgins
1315  Fiona MacDonald
1316  Frances Houghton
1317  Frank Reynolds
1318  Frank W.Southall
1319  Frank Weldon
1320  Fred Scarlett
1321  Fred Smallbone
1322  Frederick A. H. Pitman
1323  Frederick Grubb
1324  Frederick H.Humphreys
1325  Frederick H.Wyld
1326  Frederick Lindsay
1327  Frederick W.Barrett
1328  Frederick W.Holmes
1329  G Dadds
1330  G Dugdale
1331  G J.Webber
1332  G McKenzie
1333  G Nicol
1334  G Richardson
1335  G. Perry
1336  G.A. Newberry
1337  Gail Emms
1338  Gareth Marriott
1339  Garry Cook
1340  Garry Herbert
1341  Gary Abraham
1342  Gary Oakes
1343  Geoffrey Carr
1344  George Canning
1345  George F.McGrath
1346  George Sime
1347  George T.Cornet
1348  George Turpin
1349  George Whitaker
1350  George Wilkinson
1351  Georgina Harland
1352  Gillian Atkins
1353  Gillian Lindsay
1354  Gillian Sheen
1355  Gladys H.Carson
1356  Gladys M.Davis
1357  Godfrey L.Rampling
1358  Gordon D. Dailley
1359  Gordon C.Killick
1360  Gordon Downie
1361  Gordon Hutson
1362  Gordon Pirie
1363  Gordon R.Goodwin
1364  Gordon R.Hoare
1365  Gordon Thomas
1366  Grace McKenzie
1367  Graeme Smith
1368  Graham Brookhouse
1369  Graham Mann
1370  Greg Searle
1371  Guin Batten
1372  Guy M.Butler
1373  Guy O.Nickalls
1374  Gwendoline Porter
1375  H A.Johnston
1376  H B.Stallard
1377  H Durant
1378  H E.Annison
1379  H Frank
1380  H G.Burr
1381  H M.James
1382  H Matheson
1383  H O.Poulter
1384  H Ommundsen
1385  H Roper-Barrett
1386  H Smith
1387  H Stamper
1388  H Thomas Johnson
1389  H.A. Wardell-Yerburgh
1390  H.William F.Hoskyns
1391  Harold A.Walden
1392  Harold Clarke
1393  Harold D.Cooke
1394  Harold H.E.West
1395  Harold H.Whitlock
1396  Harold K.Cassels
1397  Harold M.Abrahams
1398  Harold M.Lane
1399  Harry Burt
1400  Harry E.Haslam
1401  Harry E.Ryan
1402  Harry Edward
1403  Harry H.Hill
1404  Harry J.Mitchell
1405  Harry J.Stiff
1406  Harry Mallin
1407  Harry R.Humby
1408  Harry Reynolds
1409  Heather Armitage
1410  Heather Hunter
1411  Heather Oakes
1412  Heather S.Guiness
1413  Helen G. Varcoe
1414  Helen Gordon
1415  Helen Jameson
1416  Helen Morgan
1417  Helen Reeves
1418  Henry B.Wells
1419  Henry C.Littlewort
1420  Henry Clay
1421  Henry M.MacIntosh
1422  Henry Nicoll
1423  Henry Taylor
1424  Henry W.F.Hoskyns
1425  Herbert S.Perry
1426  Hugh R.A.Edwards
1427  I M.R. Judd
1428  Iain MacDonald-Smith
1429  Ian Banbury
1430  Ian Barker
1431  Ian Hallam
1432  Ian McNuff
1433  Ian Peel
1434  Ian Percy
1435  Ian Stark
1436  Ian Stewart
1437  Ian Taylor
1438  Ian Walker
1439  Ian Wynne
1440  Imran Sherwani
1441  Irene Steer
1442  Isaac Bentham
1443  Isabella Moore
1444  Isabelle White
1445  Ivan G.Sharpe
1446  Iwan Thomas
1447  J C.Badcock
1448  J Cardno
1449  J Dowler
1450  J E.Sibbit
1451  J Reid
1452  J Sewell
1453  J T. Kite
1454  J T.Soutter
1455  J.D. Dillon
1456  J.G. Dearlove
1457  J.M. Peake
1458  J.P. Taylor
1459  Jack Beresford
1460  Jack E.London
1461  Jack Gregory
1462  Jack J.Lauterwasser
1463  Jack K.Middleton
1464  Jackie McWilliams
1465  James A. Borland
1466  James A.Gillan
1467  James A.McNab
1468  James Chappell
1469  James Clark
1470  James Cracknell
1471  James Duthie
1472  James Foster
1473  James Halliday
1474  James Hamilton
1475  James Kirkwood
1476  James Lloyd
1477  James McKenzie
1478  James Robin T.
1479  James Wilson
1480  Jane Sixsmith
1481  Janet Simpson
1482  Janice Rankin
1483  Jason Gardener
1484  Jason Queally
1485  Jean Desforges
1486  Jean Scrivens
1487  Jeanette Brakewell
1488  Jennie Fletcher
1489  Jennifer Stoute
1490  Jeremy Fox
1491  Joanne Goode
1492  Joanne Thompson
1493  Joe  Glanfield
1494  John G. Davey
1495  John Alan Campbell
1496  John Archer
1497  John Beattie
1498  John C.Ainsworth-Davis
1499  John C.Badcock
1500  John Cockett
1501  John Conroy
1502  John Cooper
1503  John Coward
1504  John D. Walker
1505  John D.Sturrock
1506  John Disley
1507  John Elliott
1508  John F.Cornes
1509  John G.H.Lander
1510  John G.Hatfield
1511  John Geddes
1512  John H.Bennett
1513  John H.Butt
1514  John H.T.Wilson
1515  John J.Shepherd
1516  John James
1517  John Kilpatrick
1518  John Kynoch
1519  John McCormack
1520  John Merricks
1521  John Osborn
1522  John Pelling
1523  John Pritchard
1524  John Regis
1525  John Regis
1526  John Robert Braithwaite
1527  John Russell
1528  John Sewell
1529  John Sherwood
1530  John W.C.McBryan
1531  John Whitaker
1532  John Wright
1533  John Yallop
1534  Johnathan Janson
1535  Johnathan Potter
1536  Johnstone Richard S. C.
1537  Jonathan Edwards
1538  Jonathan Potter
1539  Jonathan Richards
1540  Jonathan Searle
1541  Jonathon Clay
1542  Jonny Searle
1543  Joseph Dines
1544  Joseph Pepe
1545  Josyln Hoyte-Smith
1546  Judy Grinham
1547  Julian Brooke-Houghton
1548  Julian Creus
1549  Julius Beresford
1550  June Croft
1551  June Foulds
1552  June Paul
1553  K.J. Jones
1554  Karen Straker
1555  Karl Vernon
1556  Kate Allenby
1557  Kate Howey
1558  Katherine Grainger
1559  Katherine Merry
1560  Kathleen McKane
1561  Kathryn Cook
1562  Kathryn Johnson
1563  Kathryn Smallwood
1564  Keith Connor
1565  Keith Remfry
1566  Kelly Sotherton
1567  Ken Matthews
1568  Kenneth Richmond
1569  Kerrith Brown
1570  Kieran West
1571  Kriss Akabuski
1572  Kulbir Bhaura
1573  L A.Wyld
1574  L C.Royle
1575  L Savage
1576  Lawrence Smith
1577  Leon Taylor
1578  Leonard J.Martin
1579  Leonard Robertson
1580  Leroy Watson
1581  Leslie  Law
1582  Leslie F.Southwood
1583  Leslie G.Wormald
1584  Lieut.E D.Howard-Vyse
1585  Lilian Board
1586  Linsey MacDonald
1587  Lisa Bayliss
1588  Liz McColgan
1589  Lord John
1590  Lord.David G.B.C.Burghley
1591  Louis Attrill
1592  Louis Martin
1593  Lt.Col. Henry Llewellyn
1594  Lt.Col.Douglas Stewart
1595  Lucas Guy
1596  Lucindia Green
1597  Lucy Desmond
1598  Lucy Morton
1599  Luka Gruber
1600  Lynn Davies
1601  M B. Hartley
1602  M C.Wodehouse
1603  M Hynes
1604  M Joyce-Cooper
1605  M Moreman
1606  M.M. Walford
1607  Mabel Parton
1608  Malcolm C.Noakes
1609  Malcolm Carmichael
1610  Malcolm Cooper
1611  Malcolm McGowan
1612  Mandy Nicholls
1613  Margaret Edwards
1614  Margaret Kelly
1615  Margaret Morton
1616  Marion Coakes
1617  Mark Covell
1618  Mark Lewis-Francis
1619  Mark Phillips
1620  Mark Precious
1621  Mark Richardson
1622  Mark Rowland
1623  Marlon Devonish
1624  Martin Cross
1625  Martin Reynolds
1626  Martin Smith
1627  Martyn Grimley
1628  Martyn Woodroffe
1629  Mary Gordon-Watson
1630  Mary King
1631  Mary Nevill
1632  Mary Peters
1633  Mary Rand
1634  Matthew Pinsent
1635  Maureen Gardner
1636  Maurice Herriott
1637  Max Sciandri
1638  Maxwell Woosnam
1639  Meredith Moss
1640  Michael Bennett
1641  Michael C.Lapage
1642  Michael Gambrill
1643  Michael H.Warriner
1644  Michael Hart
1645  Michael J.P.Howard
1646  Michael McIntyre
1647  Michael O'D.B.Alexander
1648  Michael Sullivan
1649  Michael Wheeler
1650  Michael Whitaker
1651  Michelle Probert
1652  Mike McFarlane
1653  Mike McLeod
1654  Miles A.Bellville
1655  Miriam Batten
1656  Miss Aitchison
1657  Miss Shepherd-Barron
1658  Montford G.Southall
1659  Mr Blewitt
1660  Mr Christopher
1661  Mr Cummings
1662  Mr Freeman
1663  Mr Haggerty
1664  Mr Hatton
1665  Mr McPhee
1666  Mr Nichols
1667  Mrs Beamish
1668  Mrs Covell
1669  Muriel B.Freeman
1670  N. Nugent
1671  N.A.Kennedy Cochran-Patrick
1672  Natalie Steward
1673  Nathan Robertson
1674  Neil Adams
1675  Neil Broad
1676  Neil Cochrane
1677  Neil Eckersley
1678  Nellie Halstead
1679  Nicholas Gargano
1680  Nicholas Gillingham
1681  Nick Dempsey
1682  Nick Rogers
1683  Nick Whitehead
1684  Nicola Fairbrother
1685  Noel Loban
1686  Noel M.Purcell
1687  Norman Borrett
1688  Norman Hughes
1689  O Nickalls Ralph
1690  Oswald G.N.Turnball
1691  P K.Wise
1692  P W.Bernard
1693  P Wyld
1694  P.K. Musto
1695  Pat Smythe
1696  Patrick Cowdell
1697  Patrick Sweeney
1698  Paul Anderson
1699  Paul Barber
1700  Paul Easter
1701  Paul Howe
1702  Paul M.O.Massey
1703  Paul Manning
1704  Paul Nihill
1705  Paul Palmer
1706  Paul Radmilovic
1707  Percy Courtman
1708  Percy Hodge
1709  Percy Hodge
1710  Peter Allam
1711  Peter Elliott
1712  Peter H.Jackson
1713  Peter Jaffe
1714  Peter Radford
1715  Peter Robeson
1716  Peter Scott
1717  Peter Waterfield
1718  Peter Wright
1719  Phil Brown
1720  Philip Baker
1721  Philip Bryn Vaile
1722  Philip Fleming
1723  Philip V.C.Neame
1724  Phillip Hubble
1725  Phylis Smith
1726  Phyllis Harding
1727  Phyllis Johnson
1728  Pippa Funnell
1729  R. Davies
1730  R. Geldard
1731  R. Harrison
1732  R. Stanley
1733  R.E. Adlard
1734  R.O.A. Norris
1735  Ralph Evans
1736  Raymond Stevens
1737  Rebecca Romero
1738  Reginald Harris
1739  Reginald W.Crummack
1740  Reginald White
1741  Reuben Jones
1742  Richard Beesley
1743  Richard Budgett
1744  Richard Burnell
1745  Richard Dodds
1746  Richard Faulds
1747  Richard Leman
1748  Richard Lester
1749  Richard McTaggart
1750  Richard Meade
1751  Richard N.Ripley
1752  Richard Phelps
1753  Richard Priestman
1754  Richard Stanhope
1755  Richard Woodhall
1756  Rob Hayles
1757  Robert A.Lindsay
1758  Robert A.Nisbet
1759  Robert Brightwell
1760  Robert C. Bourne
1761  Robert C.Murray
1762  Robert Cattrall
1763  Robert Clift
1764  Robert Cruikshank
1765  Robert E.Morrison
1766  Robert H.S.Coleman
1767  Robert Maitland
1768  Robert Wells
1769  Robert Wyman
1770  Robin  Aisher
1771  Robin Croker
1772  Robin Fletcher
1773  Robin Reid
1774  Rodney Pattisson
1775  Roger Midgley
1776  Ronald Backus
1777  Ronald G.Brebner
1778  Ronald Keeble
1779  Ronald Rawson
1780  Ronald Stretton
1781  Rowland D.George
1782  Rowley Douglas
1783  Rupert Obholzer
1784  Russell Garcia
1785  Russell T.Harmer
1786  S Shove Sidney
1787  Samuel Ferris
1788  Samuel Rabin
1789  Sandra Douglas
1790  Sandra Lister
1791  Sarah  Ayton
1792  Sarah  Webb
1793  Sarah G.M.Stewart
1794  Sarah Hardcastle
1795  Sarah Winckless
1796  Sean Kerly
1797  Sean Olsson
1798  Sebastian Earl
1799  Sharon Rendle
1800  Sharron Davies
1801  Sheila Lerwill
1802  Sheila Sherwood
1803  Shirley Robertson
1804  Shirley Strong
1805  Sidney E.Swann
1806  Simon Archer
1807  Simon Dennis
1808  Simon Hiscocks
1809  Simon Stewart
1810  Simon Terry
1811  Simone Jacobs
1812  Sir William Lorenzo Parker
1813  Sonia Lannaman
1814  Stan Vickers
1815  Stanley Chambers
1816  Stanley H.Shoveller
1817  Steph Cook
1818  Stephen Batchelor
1819  Stephen Martin
1820  Stephen Parry
1821  Steve  Cummings
1822  Steve Backley
1823  Steve Cram
1824  Steve Smith
1825  Steve Trapmore
1826  Steve Williams
1827  Steven Hallard
1828  Steven Ovett
1829  Steven Smith
1830  Stewart H.Morris
1831  Susan Fraser
1832  Susan Hearnshaw
1833  T C. Riggs
1834  T David.A.Collett
1835  T Humphreys
1836  Tammy Miller
1837  Tebbs Lloyd Johnson
1838  Teignmouth P.Melville
1839  Terence N.O'Brien
1840  Terence R.B.Sanders
1841  Terence Spinks
1842  Tessa Sanderson
1843  Thelma Hopkins
1844  Thomas Evenson Evenson
1845  Thomas C. Gillespie
1846  Thomas C.Burn
1847  Thomas G.Lance
1848  Thomas Godwin
1849  Thomas Hampson
1850  Thomas Nicholls
1851  Thomas R.M.Bristow
1852  Thomas S.Battersby
1853  Thomas Simpson
1854  Thomas W.Green
1855  Tim Brabants
1856  Tim Foster
1857  Tim Graham
1858  Tim Grubb
1859  Timothy Crooks
1860  Todd Bennett
1861  Tom Richards
1862  Vera L. Tanner
1863  Vera Tanner
1864  Veryan Pappin
1865  Victor H.A.D'Arcy
1866  Victoria Dixon
1867  Violet Webb
1868  Virginia Holgate
1869  Virginia Leng
1870  Vivian J.Woodward
1871  Vivian N.Lockett
1872  W C.Moore
1873  W Chaffe
1874  W Cotrill
1875  W G. Stewart
1876  W H.Porter
1877  W J.Maddison
1878  W K.Styles
1879  W P.Nichol
1880  W R.Seagrove
1881  W Rangeley
1882  W Riggs
1883  W.L.C. Lindsay
1884  W.N. White
1885  W.S. Griffiths
1886  Walter Rangeley
1887  Wendy Fraser
1888  Wilfred H.White
1889  Wilfred Waters
1890  Wilfred White
1891  William Barry
1892  William Cuthbertson
1893  William E.Pimm
1894  William F.Smith
1895  William Fisher
1896  William Foster
1897  William Fox-Pitt
1898  William G. Fison
1899  William G.R.M.Laurie
1900  William H.Dean
1901  William Harvell
1902  William Holmes
1903  William Kinnear
1904  William McConnell
1905  William Milne
1906  William Moore
1907  William P.Grosvenor
1908  William Peacock
1909  William R.Applegarth
1910  William Roberts
1911  Winifred M.McNair
1912  Yvonne McGregor
1913  Yvonne Murray
1914 Brendan Foster
1915 Darren Campbell
1916 David Hemery
1917 Debbie Knox
1918 Dorothy Tyler
1919 G R.Renwick
1920 Jack E.London
1921 Jamie Baulch
1922 John Salisbury
1923 Mary Rand
1924 Paul Attwood
1925 Peter Radford
1926 Richard Priestman
1927 Simon Terry
1928 Slyvia Cheeseman
1929 Violet Olney
1930 Wendy Sly
1931 Charlotte Dod
1932  William Dod
1933  Mrs Hill-Lowe
1934  Queenie Newall
1935  R B.Brooks King
1936  Edwin A.Mills
1937  John J.Shepherd
1938  Arthur Russell
1939 Launceston Elliott
1940  Arthur J. Robertson
1941  P Philbin
1942  H Duke
1943  A Munro
1944  W B.Tammas
1945  Frederick Merriman
1946  Edward Owen
1947  W Slade
1948  D McDonald Lowey
1949  Edward Spencer
1950  T Swindlehurst
1951  Emil R.Voigt
1952 John Boland
1953  Ernest Webb
1954  T J.Williams
1955  Harold Wilson
1956  J Woodget
1957  G Smith
1958  E W.Ebbage
1959  Cornelius Leahy
1960  Edward Barrett
1961  T Butler
1962  W Chaffe
1963  J M.Clarke
1964  William Coales
1965  Joseph E.Deakin
1966 I fooking hate the cnuts

[eamo]

iamthelaw said:

eamo said:

If one is allowed make allegations such as these, without producing any supporting evidence, that principle falls.
quote]

Spot on there Law. I just threw it out there. I know that Barnes was a rough manager. But as a Liverpool fan I cannot support his inclusion after all the wonderful moments that he gave me. It would be hypocritical

[steamboatsam]

just for info, the lengthy list above comprises Olympic medal winners going back to 1896. Apologies for hogging the last 912 reasons but i simply lost the run of myself.

[iamthelaw]

steamboatsam said:

just for info, the lengthy list above comprises Olympic medal winners going back to 1896. Apologies for hogging the last 912 reasons but i simply lost the run of myself.

Are you sure they're all English, rather than Scottish, Welsh, from the 6 or indeed (since it goes back pre-1916) the 26 counties?

[bandage]

Was there two John Regis'? #s 1524 and 1525. I remember the little freak with no neck that used run in the relays with Christie and them in the early 1990s. Was always a Denise Lewis fan I must say. I see Jane Sixsmith on there - she's this ginger minger with short hair and Ken Dodd teeth that used play hockey for GB. It used to anger me as a child when she'd appear on A Question of Sport.

Looks like we've made it with over 2 weeks to spare. ;D

Shall we just keep going?

[iamthelaw]

iamthelaw said:

Are you sure they're all English, rather than Scottish, Welsh, from the 6 or indeed (since it goes back pre-1916) the 26 counties?

Con Leahy (1959) was an Irishman sent to the 1906 Games by the IAAA and GAA, representing Ireland, but as Ireland did not have a National Olympic Committee at the time, would not have been allowed compete except that Britain included him in their team.

Unless there was another John Boland (1952) other than the 1896 tennis gold medal winner, he was a native of Dublin, and was very proud of his Irish roots, going on to become a Nationalist MP for Kerry, and "an ardent proponent of Irish independence and the Irish language"; I understand his medal is now officially credited to Ireland, therefore his inclusion here seems rather harsh.

Alister McCorquodale (1084) was as one might guess Scottish. As is Liz McColgan (1588).
Mary Peters (1632) is perhaps Norn Iron's most famous athlete.
And Colin Jackson (1195) is of course Welsh.

Finally, Kris Akabusi (1571) has already been included. As has Audley Harrison (1123). And Chris Boardman (1187). (And his bike) And it seems unlikely that this is the first appearance of Matthew Pinsent and Steve Cram?

[iamthelaw]

iamthelaw said:

And it seems unlikely that this is the first appearance of Matthew Pinsent and Steve Cram?

Having reviewed the list it seems this is the first appearance of Messrs. Pinsent & Cram. Apologies. But before we pop the champagne in celebration at reaching 1966, a number of double-entries remain:

220. Clive Woodward (previously 21)
484. Sebastian Coe (35)
485. Peter Stringfellow (86)
486. Ladettes (231)
550. Richard Littlejohn. (282)
606. Big Brother (79)
608. UK GAAP (262)
611. Manchester United (314)
614. The Spice Girls (276)
615. E4 (566)
729. Edward Heath (673)
733. Winston Churchill (115)
761. William Pitt, the Younger (107)
775. The Weakest Link (207)
790. Essex (97)

And a couple of triple-entries:

493. Neville Chamberlain (279)
735. Neville Chamberlain (279)
752. Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington (423)
754. Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington (423)

And before anyone points out that my number 1000 (the Millennium Dome) was previously mentioned, I've changed it to the following:

1000. The invasion of Ireland in 1171 by Henry II, supported by the English pope, and the subsequent breaches of the treaty signed then, kicking off 800 (well 745) yrs. of col. opp.

On the plus-side, we appear to have two entries at 665?

[iamthelaw]

steamboatsam said:

833 Joe McQue
834 Malcolm McVean
835 Alex Raisbeck
836 Ted Doig
856 Berry Nieuwenhuys
935 Glenn Hysen

Joe McQue, Malcolm McVean, Alex Raisbeck and Ted Doig were Scottish (Raisbeck & Doig were Scottish internationals), Berry Nieuwenhuys South African, and Glenn Hysen won 63 caps for Sweden.

(I'm trying to get all this out of my system tonight so I can get some work done tomorrow)

[iamthelaw]

bandage said:

Was there two John Regis'? #s 1524 and 1525.

Similarly, A. Munro is at 1059 and 1943, Peter Radford at 1714 and 1925, and Richard Priestman at 1753 and 1926.

Other entries included twice in this post are David Hemery, Jack E. London, Mary Rand, Simon Terry, Edwin Mills (I couldn't be bothered typing out the references).

[steamboatsam]

in response to the law's posts regarding duplication, i make the following changes:-

735. Kyran bracken
754. Mike Catt
833. WPC Davies
834. David Duckham
835. Sam Doble
836. Paul Dodge
856. Wade Dooley
935. Dick Greenwood
1084. Dusty Hare
1123. Austin healey
1187. Richard Hill
1195. Peter Jackson
1525. Prince Alexander Obolensky
1571. Dean Richards
1588. Tim Rodber
1632. Peter Wheeler
1925. Mike Harrison
1926. Martin Corry
1943. Phil de Glanville
1952. Peter Winetrbottom
1959. John Pullin

[therock67]

95% sure we've had Bracken. I think we've had Austin Healey as well (maybe even twice - once as the player and once as the car).

[steamboatsam]

admin said:

95% sure we've had Bracken. I think we've had Austin Healey as well (maybe even twice - once as the player and once as the car).

the above replaced by James Simpson Daniel & Paul Sackey

Just realised i've become a junior member of the freekick.com forum - this is one of the happiest days of my life, but i refuse to rest on my laurels; i want full membership and i will achieve it!

[iamthelaw]

steamboatsam said:

James Simpson Daniel

Excellent call. Over-rated player & what an annoying English name too.

[steamboatsam]

bandage said:

Looks like we've made it with over 2 weeks to spare. ;D

Shall we just keep going?

why not, one can never have enough reasons for not wanting englan to win the world cup

[therock67]

1967 1916
1968 1798
1969 1966
1970 Arsenal's moaning after losing to Barca
1971 Chelsea's moaning after losing to Barca
1972 Chris Armstrong
1973 Selling autographed copies of the Hutton Report
1974 Tord Grip

[Ball Ox]

Djimi Traore
For use of words such as "Lathargic"
Jimmy Hill's Chin
Michael Aspen

[iamthelaw]

1979. For planning the Victory Parade already.

[bandage]

1980. Gerrard's disgraceful dive last night.
1981. BBC's disgraceful acceptance of it.
1982. The hypocrisy of this considering they are still complaining about Maradona's 'Hand of God' in 1986.

[bandage]

1983. English pundits constantly getting on the backs of their players who don't play in the 'best league in the world' (trademark EPL). Witness the criticism of Beckham at half time when they wanted Lennon brought on for him - two assists for Beckham in the 2nd half. Then the savage criticism of Hargreaves at the end. I myself haven't seen him stand out in many high profile matches but he's won titles and I think a Europan Cup with Bayern. A failed international like Ian Wright should shut the fook up instead of calling him a terrible player on national television.

[timofte]

Can I suggest

1984: Ian Wright

or is he covered by the previous two? I think that twat deserves a special mention on the list.

We should be aiming to get to at least 2006 by the start of the world cup. No problem I suspect!