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Post by therock67 on Jun 6, 2006 10:58:37 GMT
His second goal was awesome. The flick with the outside of his boot was incredible. What about the Dubs in Longford? It is a Wexford/Laois Leinster final now for me.... A father of mine met Paul Clarke (Dublin selector) last week who assured him that this was the best Dublin squad he'd worked with (as a player or manager) and he's convinced they'll go all the way! Think people might read a lot into the result at the weekend but it matters little now that they've progressed and Dublin can only improve. Think it might give them the kick they needed (particularly with regards to selection). - Coman Goggins isn't good enough
- O Shaughnessy for O Shea is a straight swap
- Changing my mind again and suggesting Cullen plays half back. It's not about nullifying other teams it's about playing the best player in the best position and our half back line is seriously weak these days.
- What's the point in Mossy Quinn if he's not even taking frees?
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 6, 2006 11:15:17 GMT
His second goal was awesome. The flick with the outside of his boot was incredible. What about the Dubs in Longford? It is a Wexford/Laois Leinster final now for me.... Didnt watch it as I wrongly assumed the Dubs would beat them handily enough. It was their first match too, so maybe shouldnt read too much into it!!!! Laois-Dublin will be a close one |
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Post by eamo on Jun 6, 2006 11:15:28 GMT
His second goal was awesome. The flick with the outside of his boot was incredible. What about the Dubs in Longford? It is a Wexford/Laois Leinster final now for me.... A father of mine met Paul Clarke (Dublin selector) last week who assured him that this was the best Dublin squad he'd worked with (as a player or manager) and he's convinced they'll go all the way! Think people might read a lot into the result at the weekend but it matters little now that they've progressed and Dublin can only improve. Think it might give them the kick they needed (particularly with regards to selection). - Coman Goggins isn't good enough
- O Shaughnessy for O Shea is a straight swap
- Changing my mind again and suggesting Cullen plays half back. It's not about nullifying other teams it's about playing the best player in the best position and our half back line is seriously weak these days.
- What's the point in Mossy Quinn if he's not even taking frees?
I take your point re Cullen. Barry Cahill looked strong there last summer imo. He is at full back now yeah? What is the story with Christie? Is he injured? I think you are also short in the forwards. You have mentioned Quinn. For me Brogan and Keaney are your only two threats if you bring back Cullen. You will not beat Laois or Wexford with that forward line. Goggins is not good enough but Peader Andrews is worse. |
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Post by bandage on Jun 6, 2006 12:48:44 GMT
His second goal was awesome. The flick with the outside of his boot was incredible. What about the Dubs in Longford? It is a Wexford/Laois Leinster final now for me.... A father of mine met Paul Clarke (Dublin selector) last week who assured him that this was the best Dublin squad he'd worked with (as a player or manager) and he's convinced they'll go all the way! Think people might read a lot into the result at the weekend but it matters little now that they've progressed and Dublin can only improve. Think it might give them the kick they needed (particularly with regards to selection). - Coman Goggins isn't good enough
- O Shaughnessy for O Shea is a straight swap
- Changing my mind again and suggesting Cullen plays half back. It's not about nullifying other teams it's about playing the best player in the best position and our half back line is seriously weak these days.
- What's the point in Mossy Quinn if he's not even taking frees?
Think I posted last week how the line up Dublin announced would give hope to everybody else left in Leinster. Agree thoroughly on Goggins - a mediocre corner come half back does not a top class inter-county centre back make. Nobody's yet mentioned Paul Casey, that odious little cnut is so far removed from inter-county standard it's ridiculous and the new lad O'Shea got a worse roasting on the pitch than he would have had he spent 10 hours on the beach with no sun cream. If Keaney is (who's becoming a really significant player for Dublin) taking the frees then I agree there's no need for Quinn to play. Is Brogan suited to #11 or would he be better suited in the corner? There appears to be no apparent playmaker to play #11 like a Brian McGuigan or somebody. Jury very much out on Vaughan and I still think that midfield is not very strong either - surely Clancy and Garvan would fancy their chances of dominating that battle. Cahill appears to have been terrible and the word is Christie's legs have 'gone'. You'd be sorely tempted to play Cullen centre back and bring a combination of Lally, Connell (who I think is always the fall guy) and Sherlock back in up front. As an aside that Laois team looks very stong on paper particularly from 5-12 with the likes of Higgins, Kelly, the midfield 2, Munnelly etc. There's murmerings now that because of a) the Offaly/Kildare dispute dragging on and b) the fact that Wex/Offaly is only likely to attract a 20k attendance that our game will be pushed back from June 18 to June 25 so there'll be a Leinster semi final double header. I, for one, would absolutely gag for this. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 6, 2006 13:07:08 GMT
Collie Moran can also come back into that attack. Brogan has played 11 before but I don't think he wins enough ball to play there. Sherlock is certain to come back and Lally and Connell are probably there or thereabouts as you say.
Cullen has to move back to bring some strength back into that area of the park. Anyone know how long Magee is out for?
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Post by humbug on Jun 7, 2006 19:57:20 GMT
I'd put Collie Moran in the same bracket as Paul Casey. These guys are very limited. The only reason they make the Dublin team is because they are savage fit. Watch their foot-passing they next time they play...shocking. Peadar Andrews as well. I still fancy the Dubs to do well this year. It only takes a good team to win the All Ireland.
Wanted to share this one...taken from Saturday's Indo. Cyril Farrell on Tipp's Eoin Kelly...
"His performance against Limerick was a thing of beauty. He was the big difference between the sides, although Limerick's flatness was also a major contributor to their misery.
Kelly is very difficult to stop in any circumstances but when you play him as Limerick did, it's like whooshing the hens out the gate and hoping the fox won't spot them."
I had the pleasure of being at the Tipp v Waterford game on Sunday. Kelly is a different glass of water altogether...pure class.
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Post by eamo on Jun 8, 2006 8:15:14 GMT
It is difficult to predict an All Ireland winner for me. I don't think that Tyrone will do it. The absence of Peter the Great is huge. Kerry may do it - but only because they are guaranteed a quarter final and only need to win two games after that. I can see Armagh becoming unstuck as well, but would be the most likely to win of the so called 'top three' imo. For me it is the most open Championship in years.
Dublin won't win it though because they don't have enough good players
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Post by bandage on Jun 8, 2006 8:22:24 GMT
What do people think of the Croke Park issue? By that I mean do you see it as the national GAA stadium or a home venue for the Dubs? I saw Micko lamenting the fact that Dublin-Laois wasn't being played in Navan - he said they've had to play them 'at home' 3 times in 4 years and thought this gave them a huge advantage.
Agree re the open championship. It seems to be there for Kerry to win but as we won't see them tested until August it's difficult to conclude that they're definite to win it. I don't think someone outside the big 6 (including Dublin, Cork and Galway here) will win it but there's an opportunity for some second tier teams like Derry, Donegal, Laois and, dare I say, Wexford to reach the last 4.
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Post by steamboatsam on Jun 8, 2006 8:31:48 GMT
What do people think of the Croke Park issue? By that I mean do you see it as the national GAA stadium or a home venue for the Dubs? I saw Micko lamenting the fact that Dublin-Laois wasn't being played in Navan - he said they've had to play them 'at home' 3 times in 4 years and thought this gave them a huge advantage. Agree re the open championship. It seems to be there for Kerry to win but as we won't see them tested until August it's difficult to conclude that they're definite to win it. I don't think someone outside the big 6 (including Dublin, Cork and Galway here) will win it but there's an opportunity for some second tier teams like Derry, Donegal, Laois and, dare I say, Wexford to reach the last 4. re Croker, it's a national GAA stadium. No matter where it's situated some county will have "home advantage" and a large crowd but it's not like Dublin train there and in any case given their population the Dubs would have a bigger crowd than most counties no matter where they play - eg Longford last week and a couple of yrs ago they were down in Thurles |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 8:34:53 GMT
What do people think of the Croke Park issue? By that I mean do you see it as the national GAA stadium or a home venue for the Dubs? I saw Micko lamenting the fact that Dublin-Laois wasn't being played in Navan - he said they've had to play them 'at home' 3 times in 4 years and thought this gave them a huge advantage. Agree re the open championship. It seems to be there for Kerry to win but as we won't see them tested until August it's difficult to conclude that they're definite to win it. I don't think someone outside the big 6 (including Dublin, Cork and Galway here) will win it but there's an opportunity for some second tier teams like Derry, Donegal, Laois and, dare I say, Wexford to reach the last 4. re Croker, it's a national GAA stadium. No matter where it's situated some county will have "home advantage" and a large crowd but it's not like Dublin train there and in any case given their population the Dubs would have a bigger crowd than most counties no matter where they play - eg Longford last week and a couple of yrs ago they were down in Thurles Agree with that - it doesn't make sense from a financial point of view to play Dublin games elsewhere (other than an opening round like last week) and the GAA need all the help they can get in promoting the games in the city. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 8:35:11 GMT
What do people think of the Croke Park issue? By that I mean do you see it as the national GAA stadium or a home venue for the Dubs? I saw Micko lamenting the fact that Dublin-Laois wasn't being played in Navan - he said they've had to play them 'at home' 3 times in 4 years and thought this gave them a huge advantage. Agree re the open championship. It seems to be there for Kerry to win but as we won't see them tested until August it's difficult to conclude that they're definite to win it. I don't think someone outside the big 6 (including Dublin, Cork and Galway here) will win it but there's an opportunity for some second tier teams like Derry, Donegal, Laois and, dare I say, Wexford to reach the last 4. No chance for Mayo? |
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Post by eamo on Jun 8, 2006 9:22:24 GMT
Mayo have a better chance than Cork and Galway imo - but they will have to go through the back door when Leitrim knock them out!
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Post by tommymoore on Jun 8, 2006 9:49:55 GMT
If Mayo win the All Ireland I'll run down grafton street bollock naked. I don't give them a hope. They'll beat Galway in the Connaught final and choke when the chips are down like they always do.
I put €20 each way on Galway for teh AI before they played in the league final against Kerry. Still don't think they'll win it but it might not have been such a bad bet with major doubts hanging over each potential contender.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 8, 2006 9:58:45 GMT
If Mayo win the All Ireland I'll run down grafton street bollock naked. I'd usually quite like to see Mayo do well, but I'll have to cheer against them now. |
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Post by eamo on Jun 8, 2006 10:10:25 GMT
If Mayo win the All Ireland I'll run down grafton street bollock naked. I'd usually quite like to see Mayo do well, but I'll have to cheer against them now. Line from Father Ted: Bishop Brennan (best character in it imo): 'What do the following words mean to you Crilly? Elderly priest - sleepwalking - bollock naked' |
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Post by bandage on Jun 8, 2006 12:23:51 GMT
Had a debate with a Sligo man before. I said Connacht. He insisted Connaught. I insisted I was correct but he seemed happy the with Anglicised version. Any CONNACHT folk care to shed some light on this? I forgot about Mayo to be honest - last 8 I'd suspect. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 12:32:28 GMT
Had a debate with a Sligo man before. I said Connacht. He insisted Connaught. I insisted I was correct but he seemed happy the with Anglicised version. Any CONNACHT folk care to shed some light on this? I forgot about Mayo to be honest - last 8 I'd suspect. Connacht all the way - to be honest I think they're both bastardised words. The Irish is Connachta and the tuiseal ginideach got mistranslated into English usage I think though I'll check it now. |
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 8, 2006 12:42:10 GMT
Agree re the open championship. It seems to be there for Kerry to win but as we won't see them tested until August it's difficult to conclude that they're definite to win it. I don't think someone outside the big 6 (including Dublin, Cork and Galway here) will win it but there's an opportunity for some second tier teams like Derry, Donegal, Laois and, dare I say, Wexford to reach the last 4. Well not being tested til late last year, cost us the Championship as Tyrone were battle hardened by September. Realistically our 'hope' is that Cork or Limerick beat us in the Munster final and we get a good run in the qualifiers maybe against teams such as Down, Mayo or Galway, Laois/Wexford/Dublin/Meath. As for the Big 6, I cant see Cork or Dublin with a chance. I have my doubts with Galway, if they were to meet Armagh/Tyrone they'd be battered. Dont think we will do it either, O'Connor hasn't brought the team on far enough. Too reliant on Gooch and everyone knows this. They have this full forward called Quirke, he's about 6 foot 4 and 16 stone, but he never gets played (i think he's quit now and gone back to basketball). He would be the ideal man for taking on the Nordies, big, strong and can even take a score (very similar to The Bomber). A long ball tactic to him with Gooch and Mike Frank running off him would be ideal. He'd have Bellew in his pocket. But its not Kerry's style, even though it worked a treat with Johnny Crowley against Mayo in 2003. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 12:43:35 GMT
Coming back to this Connacht/Connaught question:
Connachta is the name for the province in Irish. It is an Irish name so all anglicised versions of it are essentially bastardisations.
In Irish the province is Connachta but the term Cúige Chonnacht (province of Connacht/Connaught) is tuiseal ginideach (genitive case) and in more common usage than the word Connachta on its own - it is invariably preceded by the Cúige prefix. When the word entered the English language, instead of anglicising Connachta, the word Chonnacht was anglicised instead to Connacht or Connaught.
I prefer the term Connacht because it is closer to the Irish original and less anglicised. It also seems to take precedence in official documentation.
Incidentally, and we're really driting from the GAA here, there were originally 5 provinces in Ireland (hence the term Cúige (fifth) for province) but Meath, comprising both Meath and Westmeath I think, was subsequently absorbed into Leinster.
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 9, 2006 8:18:48 GMT
KERRY (SF v Declan Browne & 14 other Tippmen):
-------------D Murphy------------
A O'Mahony-- M Ó Sé--T O'Sullivan--
T Ó Sé-- S Moynihan--M Lyons--
-------D Ó Sé--K Donaghy--------
Declan O'Sullivan--E Brosnan--P Galvin;
Darren O'Sullivan--B Sheehan--C Cooper.
Darren O'Sullivan in for Eamon Fitzmaurice, Eoin Brosnan Switches to centre forward with Declan O'Sullivan.
Strong team on paper, Kerry to win 8 points.
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 12, 2006 11:13:06 GMT
Only watched Cork & Limerick and Armagh & Fermanagh.
Cork and Limerick was easily the worst match so far this year. it was absolute fooking drivel, both sides were so inept at the most basic skills that it was terrible to watch.
Kerry (who were poor against Declan Browne) have nothing to fear in the Munster Final, but it means we wont be tested until the quarters or later, same as last year,and we wont be able to step up the intensity whens its required. plus the Gooch only got 1 point (a free), hopefully that was a blip.
Armagh-Fermanagh stood out for the woeful shooting, especially by Armagh.
The woeful shooting got me thinking about football at present, are teams focussing too much on ball possession, tackling, fitness and forgetting the core basic skill of kicking points? Is this a reaction to the 'Northern' type of football currently all the rage?
I hope not, as it will mean football will go to the dogs. No 'Big' team like Armagh should have that many wides (I think it was about 12) in the championship. It was inexcusable for Limerick not to score from the 25th minute and Cork had only 1 forward capable of scoring.
No wonder the crowds were bad in both matches, the World Cup was more entertaining.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 13, 2006 23:13:52 GMT
No wonder the crowds were bad in both matches, the World Cup was more entertaining. Yeah, watched a good chunk of Armagh-Fermanagh but switched back when Fermanagh played 15 hand-passes without getting out of their half. I mean a rugby team would be worried if it took them that many passes. Even with proper tackling. And having to pass backwards. |
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Post by bandage on Jun 19, 2006 13:41:09 GMT
Liam Dunne telling it like it is yet again. Sort yourself out Finnerty you arrogant fook. From The Sunday Times yesterday:
Gaelic Games: Armchair critic misses the point of great defence
LIAM DUNNE
I was listening to Pete Finnerty last Sunday night analysing the Wexford-Offaly match on television and I couldn’t help wondering if he had seen the same match as me — or if he had been at the game at all. I wanted to turn the television off but I forced myself to listen.
It wasn’t a hectic game, nobody is trying to claim that it was, but there were some outstanding performances by defenders on both sides and that fact seemed to go unnoticed by Pete. The six Wexford lads and most of the Offaly backs played out of their skins.
There was no mention of Keith Rossiter, who was brilliant at full-back. Offaly tried three lads in there and none of them got any change. The first-half display by Declan Ruth was one of the best I’ve seen by a centre-back in recent years; he held the middle, covered off his wing-backs and delivered great, fast ball into his forwards. Young Richie Keogh alongside him gave an awesome display for a fella making his debut.
I can imagine how painful it was for Offaly to lose after all the preparation they’ve put in since November but these things happen to all teams. I remember losing to a last-minute goal against Offaly in 1998 when we were after producing a great performance against all the odds that day.
Wexford can take some positives out of the game and there’s no doubt that winning alone will bring them on a ton, but they have serious issues to address, too. Centre field was only 50:50 over the 70 minutes and four of the Wexford forwards couldn’t have argued if they had been taken off. The exceptions were Rory Jacob and Stephen Doyle, another young lad who had a great debut.
Free-taking is a problem, too. For Oulart-the-Ballagh Rory would be our third-choice free-taker behind Stephen (Doyle) and Rory’s brother Michael. Whether they can ask Stephen to step up to the frees in Croke Park, in his first Leinster final, is another thing; probably not.
The other issue is an old one, physical presence in the forward line. With Eoin Quigley switched to centre field that was one fewer ball-winner in the attack. Quigley wouldn’t win a pile of ball for you, granted, but he’d win a bit.
Darragh Ryan could be the answer. As I said last week, he hasn’t retired and it might be time for the Wexford selectors to go after him. He started his Wexford career as a centre-forward against Dublin in 1999 and I could see him doing a job up there again.
It would be unfair to judge Paul Codd on what he did when he came on because he clearly wasn’t fit and neither was Des Mythen. I would question the selectors for bringing on those lads but I’m glad they gave a couple of the young guys a chance. Whatever happens in the Leinster final those lads are the future.
For Clare and Limerick the season is not going to end today but their game could shape the rest of the summer for both of them. Neither of them performed the last time out, despite months of good build-up and plenty of positive signs. Clare played for 10 minutes against Cork and Limerick’s performance lasted about as long against Tipp.
This match is a little extension of the Munster championship, which has been a disaster so far with the exception of Cork in general, Eoin Kelly in particular and to a lesser extent Eamon Corcoran. I certainly can’t see a big gap in quality between the Munster and Leinster championships.
I can see this being a real physical battle today, in the Munster tradition, and I’m glad they’ve picked a Munster referee, Seamus Roche, to do it. Whenever a Leinster ref goes into Munster he generally tends to blow too quickly and too often.
I think we’ll see a different Clare performance today. Limerick won’t be able to sweep them off their feet as Cork did and Clare’s big men will have more of an influence. Players such as Brian Lohan and Colin Lynch might be exposed again later in the year but not in Cusack Park this afternoon.
The Clare team hasn’t been announced but I can’t see many changes from the last time, if any. Anthony Daly was long enough putting that team together and he’ll want to give those players a chance to redeem themselves. I think they will.
Finally, I would like to pass on my sympathies to the family of the young Laois hurler Jason Gilligan, who died during the week. I remember a young Dublin hurler lost his life on the field not long after I started playing for Wexford and such tragedies are felt by the hurling community as a whole. Another young sportsman has been taken from us and we all feel the loss.
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Post by bandage on Jun 20, 2006 12:52:11 GMT
Dublin/Laois and Cork/Tipp on Sunday. Two very appealing games. Anyone with any thoughts? Think Laois have the team to beat Dublin but unsure if they've the mental strength given last year's and 2004's one point Leinster Final defeats and their collapses against Tyrone and Armagh in the qualifiers. This one will need some thought. Cork are a machine and will beat Tipp. Their half back line will stem the supply to Kelly who'll be marked by that sticky little fook Murphy anyway. If he doesn't perform it doesn't necessarily mean he's not a great player by the way (old debates on my mind)!
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Post by tommymoore on Jun 20, 2006 13:48:02 GMT
I think it'll be Dublin and Cork victories. Dublin won't be as bad again as they were against Longford. With a full Croke Park screaming them on there very hard to stop. Loais have been on the go for a few years now and I think they may be past there peak. I rate the Dubs as serious title contenders this year and they should have 2-3 points to spare.
After a dismal last few and with victories over Limerick and Waterford all is rosie in Tipperary hurling again. Or so they think. Have a few good friends from Tipp and they give themselves a serious chance of beating Cork. They've built up a bit of momentum with the 2 victories but if yer man Murphy can stop Kelly there fighting a losing battle. Chances are he won't get as much ball as he did for the last 2 games anyway with the half back line Cork have. However if Tipp can get enough ball into the full foward line they have a serious chance. I've been saying this for a while now but I think Diarmuid will get cleaned some day soon. Webster may be the man to do it. If himself and Kelly click they can stretch that full back line of Corks.
Having said that though, chances are Cork will have too much for them. there a class act and it will take some team to beat them. Tipp arn't that team. I'll be shouting for them on Sunday anyway. I'm not going to break the habit of a lifetime and shout for the 'premier'.
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