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Post by therock67 on Jun 23, 2006 8:34:13 GMT
He completely lost the plot at the end there:
- let a Croatian dude manhandle him when he was sending the first guy off (Simic was it? - no help from Canning in identifying the lad obviously)
- then he books your man twice and leaves him stay on
- then he awarded a throw against Croatia because there were two balls on the pitch - pretty harsh
- then he bottled the last decision. I thought he had stopped it to give a penalty but I'm not sure he had a clue what to do.
- what was with the third yellow card and the red then? If he had already blown for full time then he can continue carding guys - i.e. giving them yellows and reds - but the cards in the game don't accumulate. A second yellow after the final whistle would register as a booking and would and would obviously result in a suspension but the red card means nothing unless it's a straight red.
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Post by steamboatsam on Jun 23, 2006 10:14:19 GMT
funniest moment of the wc so far last night. Bandage was on to win about 400 quid if Australia beat Croatia. It's 90+3 and the aussies have the winner! oh actually no, the ref has blown the final whistle before the ball crossed the line.....it's a draw....cue bandage at one of the highest decible levels known to man "Cuuuunt! fooking cuuuunnnnntttss. aaaaghhhhh. cuuunnnts!". he leaves the room.
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Post by bandage on Jun 23, 2006 10:52:45 GMT
funniest moment of the wc so far last night. Bandage was on to win about 400 quid if Australia beat Croatia. It's 90+3 and the aussies have the winner! oh actually no, the ref has blown the final whistle before the ball crossed the line.....it's a draw....cue bandage at one of the highest decible levels known to man "Cuuuunt! fooking cuuuunnnnntttss. aaaaghhhhh. cuuunnnts!". he leaves the room. That wasn't funny. At all.  |
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Post by bandage on Jun 23, 2006 11:21:11 GMT
What are today’s bets then? I’ve lost so much money at this stage I may as well just keep going.
Fed up doing first goalscorer, winning margin etc type bets. Gonna try make some cash back by going for big accumulators.
Today I was thinking Spain (even though it’s their second string side), Ukraine (although a draw is a possibility seeing Tunisia played well against Spain), France and South Korea (am I totally off the wall going against Switzerland? I just think they’re a poor team that never performs at tournaments when they qualify – though others think their physical power and size will tell against the Koreans. In fairness the Koreans haven’t impressed in either game yet and probably aren’t as good or as lucky as they were at home the last time – maybe a draw would be better here, although will either team have the balls to go for the win? Swiss have the better gd if it’s a draw).
Fook – I’m more confused now. Any thoughts?
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Post by steamboatsam on Jun 23, 2006 12:43:30 GMT
What are today’s bets then? I’ve lost so much money at this stage I may as well just keep going. Fed up doing first goalscorer, winning margin etc type bets. Gonna try make some cash back by going for big accumulators. Today I was thinking Spain (even though it’s their second string side), Ukraine (although a draw is a possibility seeing Tunisia played well against Spain), France and South Korea (am I totally off the wall going against Switzerland? I just think they’re a poor team that never performs at tournaments when they qualify – though others think their physical power and size will tell against the Koreans. In fairness the Koreans haven’t impressed in either game yet and probably aren’t as good or as lucky as they were at home the last time – maybe a draw would be better here, although will either team have the balls to go for the win? Swiss have the better gd if it’s a draw). Fook – I’m more confused now. Any thoughts? don't think any accumulators are really worth betting on today unless you're planning on betting big which would dodgy. Can't see past the favourites in the first 3 games but Swiss/South Korea very tough to call as neither have been impressive. Korea have the creativity but the Swiss are boring and physical without any great attacking threat. Draw is prob most likely but that only gives 5/1 for the accumulator. The 3 favourites & Korea to win is 7/1. Think i'd rather bet on shirt numbers or yellow cards & corners |
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Post by pagey on Jun 23, 2006 12:50:49 GMT
The Syndicate after a good win this week have withdrawn the profits and started again. The money today is on Spain, Ukraine and France to win. Crap odds but will double the money put on it.
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Post by therock67 on Jun 23, 2006 13:09:41 GMT
The Syndicate after a good win this week have withdrawn the profits and started again. The money today is on Spain, Ukraine and France to win. Crap odds but will double the money put on it. I keep making this point but I don't see any logic in what you have just said. The stake that you commit to a bet should be proportionate to the perceived value of that bet. i.e. if you think it is overpriced bet a large amount, if you think it is underpriced don't bet at all. Betting a large amount because the potential returns are poor is a common but foolish strategy. |
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Post by timofte on Jun 23, 2006 14:00:13 GMT
I won €260 in the end on an accumulator for Wednesday although also had €100 on Arg to win so lost that. Bastards never really played. Had nothing on yesterday as was away. Today I'm going for:
Spain
Ukraine
France
South Korea
It's 10 to 1, mostly because of South Korea but I fancy them to upset the Swiss.
DT
Ps. Did Pagey get his accumulator from my spreadsheet the other day? If so I think I'm more deserving of a cut in his winnings than bandage!
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Post by bandage on Jun 23, 2006 15:53:57 GMT
Looking at the GAA fixtures for the weekend there and you'd have to go Tyrone, Kildare on Saturday. As for Sunday it's slightly tougher; Armagh never lose replays so going for them, Mayo should take Leitrim and Cork should have too much class for Tipp. The value is not very good and it's only the Dublin/Laois game that has me really uncertain and this one would also raise the odds on the accumulator - after seeing their team with Cullen back centre back I'm edging towards Dublin now.
So that's Tyrone, Kildare, Armagh, Mayo, Cork and Dublin.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 24, 2006 3:06:42 GMT
If anyone's checking this thread in time, think Australia are overvalued against Ireland this morning.
Have invested €30 in the ratio:
€15.70 on Ireland to lose by less than 11 points at 10/11
€14.30 on Ireland to win at 7/2
So if we lose by less than 11 I get my money back.
If we win I make €65 profit.
And if we lose by 11 or more I would have been annoyed anyway so what's another €30.
Odds courtesy of betdirect - Paddy Power odds are scheidt as usual.
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Post by bandage on Jun 26, 2006 13:54:33 GMT
Looking at the GAA fixtures for the weekend there and you'd have to go Tyrone, Kildare on Saturday. As for Sunday it's slightly tougher; Armagh never lose replays so going for them, Mayo should take Leitrim and Cork should have too much class for Tipp. The value is not very good and it's only the Dublin/Laois game that has me really uncertain and this one would also raise the odds on the accumulator - after seeing their team with Cullen back centre back I'm edging towards Dublin now. So that's Tyrone, Kildare, Armagh, Mayo, Cork and Dublin. Against the initial advice on page 1 or 2 of this thread I risked betting big on favourites and made some money back here. In fairness after the pasting I took on the World Cup I needed a change in luck. Today I've gone for 2 90 minute draws at 10/1. Also stuck a sneaky €5 on a Australia/Ukraine double at 25/1. Can the Guus Hiddink factor overcome the Italians like in 2002? |
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Post by bandage on Jun 26, 2006 13:55:24 GMT
Looking at the GAA fixtures for the weekend there and you'd have to go Tyrone, Kildare on Saturday. As for Sunday it's slightly tougher; Armagh never lose replays so going for them, Mayo should take Leitrim and Cork should have too much class for Tipp. The value is not very good and it's only the Dublin/Laois game that has me really uncertain and this one would also raise the odds on the accumulator - after seeing their team with Cullen back centre back I'm edging towards Dublin now. So that's Tyrone, Kildare, Armagh, Mayo, Cork and Dublin. Going against the initial advice on page 1 or 2 of this thread I risked betting big on favourites and made some money back on this accumulator. In fairness after the pasting I took on the World Cup I needed a change in luck. Today I've gone for 2 90 minute draws at 10/1. Also stuck a sneaky €5 on a Australia/Ukraine double at 25/1. Can the Guus Hiddink factor overcome the Italians like in 2002? |
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Post by bandage on Jun 26, 2006 15:19:27 GMT
Don’t have access to betting sites in work but I read on another forum there that certain sites have Portugal at 4/1 for the England game. Now I know I want England to get beaten and I’m biased against them but these are ridiculous odds. England have been insipid at best and Portugal have 11 straight wins now after last night. Additionally Scolari has got the better of England on the last 2 occasions, the game is on in the afternoon so the ‘England players won’t be able to play at a Premiership tempo’ – a tempo no other team in the world could live with! Figo got the all clear, Ronaldo says he’ll be fit, Petit can come in for Costinha without weakening the team. The only issue is the absence of Deco, who despite his antics, has been superb in the competition so far and they lack a like for like replacement. I presume Simao will come in on the wing and Figo will move into the centre. Figo’s playing some decent stuff too so I think they’ll have too much for England.
As an aside I was delighted Portugal won last night and I was glad Figo loafed Van Bommel who’s a despicable character. The tackle on Ronaldo and his stamp on Zokora in the Ivory Coast game were shocking. So was the right back’s tackle on Ronaldo near the start. Also a cracking quote from Scolari defending Figo – he’s implying Van Bommel did something to raise the ire of Figo, "Jesus said we should turn the other cheek. Unfortunately, Figo is not Jesus Christ." I’ve seen people going spare over Deco’s tackle on Heitinga but that guy deserved worse for not giving the ball back. Portugal were no saints but the Dutch started the aggro and basically questioned whether the Portuguese would have the stomach for the battle. Fook, did they get their answer.
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Post by timofte on Jun 26, 2006 17:35:23 GMT
Not too many good bets out there at the moment. Well done bandage on your accumulator at the weekend. Only been betting on first goal scorer in the last few games and no joy so far. Went for Aus to win 1-0 at 12 to 1 today too but no luck. Think I'll back the spanish against france tomorrow and a few euro on Gana to beat Brazil at 11 to 1 might be worth it. Ronaldo to get the goalscoring record? 7 to 2 first goal scorer. Not great value for me. 4 to 1 on Portugal to beat England is great value. 12 to 5 on pp at the moment. Will be putting money on that alright but will have to look for those better odds.
DT
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 26, 2006 22:51:27 GMT
will have to look for those better odds. I presume everyone is aware of www.bookiesindex.com, compares all the online bookies on major events, excellent site. Best odds they're showing at the moment on Portugal win in 90 mins is 3.1/1 with betfair. |
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 26, 2006 22:54:05 GMT
I’ve seen people going spare over Deco’s tackle on Heitinga but that guy deserved worse for not giving the ball back. Definitely. There wasn't even a question of the Portuguese wasting time by putting the ball out of play, as is sometimes the game, it was the ref who blew it up with Portugal in possession (& possibly in a good attacking position, though it might have been just that the Dutch defenders stopped). No excuse for Holland not to give the ball back. |
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Post by bandage on Jun 27, 2006 12:28:27 GMT
will have to look for those better odds. I presume everyone is aware of www.bookiesindex.com, compares all the online bookies on major events, excellent site. Best odds they're showing at the moment on Portugal win in 90 mins is 3.1/1 with betfair. Good site - I checked back with the forum where I got the initial 4/1 and the guy that posted it said it was betfair yesterday morning when the rumour was that Figo would be done by FIFA and Ronaldo wouldn't be fit. Price has shortened since with both likely to be available. Victor Chandler's have Portugal at 13/5 which is still great value (Eng 11/10) and Portugal are 6/1 to be ahead at half time and full time. Gonna stick some cash on both of these - considering going high (maybe €100 on the first bet). Have gone for 2 90 minute draws at 16/1 again today after nearly getting them last night. Also went for Brazil/France at 7/2. |
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Post by timofte on Jun 27, 2006 12:42:25 GMT
will have to look for those better odds. I presume everyone is aware of www.bookiesindex.com, compares all the online bookies on major events, excellent site. Best odds they're showing at the moment on Portugal win in 90 mins is 3.1/1 with betfair. Thanks for that site Law. It looks pretty good. I like the look of www.racingpost.co.uk myself. It has lots of sports apart from the horse racing. It compares odds for events over about 10 different bookies. You can also access bet fair from here. It is also handy because you can choose from traditional odds or decimal odds making it easy to compare odds. At the moment the best you can get with the bookies is 2.75/1 off a few bookies while Bet Fair now just 3/1. I also like the way there are previews to events and then sometimes they have tips which are worth a read. The racing post is good also as it compares other markets like first goal scorer across bookies where there can often be differences. The comparisons are useless to me anyway as I have yet to venture from my paddy power account although its nice sometimes to see you haven't been screwed on a price. You usually are by pp though! Think its time I set up an account on betfair. Def seem to have better odds. The one thing that puts me off is withdrawing funds. I've had a pp account for years and have never withdrawn funds. Fortunately I have only had to deposit funds on a couple of occasions so if I was to withdraw today I would probably be at a break-even stage or a small loss (thanks to online poker!). The problem is that pp wont put the money back on your credit card. Have to get a check sent out. It just seems like a pain in the ass and hence I haven't withdrawn any funds. What is betfair or any other sites like for withdrawing winnings? Anyone got any recommendations? DT |
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Post by jimmyhillschin on Jun 27, 2006 12:55:09 GMT
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Post by pagey on Jun 27, 2006 12:55:59 GMT
DT, I had the same problem with PP and I rang them up and they said that mastercard do not put winnings from gambling sites back onto your credit card, so they have to send out cheques. However visa does let gambling sites refund your card, so if you have a visa card use that. I got mine withdrawan by cheque and it only takes a few days.
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Post by therock67 on Jun 27, 2006 13:01:24 GMT
Ladbrokes is fine for withdrawals - slight issue if it's Mastercard but once you go through a small registration for your first withdrawal then they pay straight to your bank account which is handy.
I have a betfair account too - not made a withdrawal yet but it looks straightforward I think. The biggest issue with betfair is you can't bet each way on anything. Some markets have a place bet as well but you need to work them out separately which is a load of hassle. Still it's definitely got better odds in general.
I also find pp to be slightly better than ladbrokes. It's useful to have the 3 of them going now anyway.
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Post by timofte on Jun 27, 2006 14:59:22 GMT
DT, I had the same problem with PP and I rang them up and they said that mastercard do not put winnings from gambling sites back onto your credit card, so they have to send out cheques. However visa does let gambling sites refund your card, so if you have a visa card use that. I got mine withdrawan by cheque and it only takes a few days. Yea I think its a problem with Mastercard alright. Will I have this same problem with a ladbrokes or Betfair account. Probably will. Might have to get my self a VISA. Also was floating around Betfair on the tennis and people have money layed on some real outsiders. Not to familiar on laying bets. If I take one up to say lay Mark Philippoussis in the tennis at 710 at the moment on betfair and put €1 on it Do I win 710 if he gets knocked out out and lose the same if he goes on and wins? Seems like a no brainer to me if thats the case! Would I need €710 in account before I could lay this bet? I know there is a min bet of €4 so this is just an example. Anyone familiar with laying bets. I presume backing bets on betfair is the same as a normal bookie, i.e put down €1 and lose that if bet does not win and win odds if it does. DT |
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Post by bandage on Jun 28, 2006 15:19:15 GMT
The best value I’ve seen so far on Portugal in a traditional bookies (not betfair and what have you) was in Victor Chandler’s at 13/5. Checked in William Hill’s at lunch and they have Portugal at 23/10. After my Brazil/France double coming up last night I’m going to invest the winnings on Portugal to win in 90 minutes. Very confident about this one.
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Post by therock67 on Jun 28, 2006 15:36:05 GMT
DT, I had the same problem with PP and I rang them up and they said that mastercard do not put winnings from gambling sites back onto your credit card, so they have to send out cheques. However visa does let gambling sites refund your card, so if you have a visa card use that. I got mine withdrawan by cheque and it only takes a few days. Yea I think its a problem with Mastercard alright. Will I have this same problem with a ladbrokes or Betfair account. Probably will. Might have to get my self a VISA. Also was floating around Betfair on the tennis and people have money layed on some real outsiders. Not to familiar on laying bets. 1. If I take one up to say lay Mark Philippoussis in the tennis at 710 at the moment on betfair and put €1 on it Do I win 710 if he gets knocked out out and lose the same if he goes on and wins? Seems like a no brainer to me if thats the case! Would I need €710 in account before I could lay this bet? I know there is a min bet of €4 so this is just an example. Anyone familiar with laying bets. 2. I presume backing bets on betfair is the same as a normal bookie, i.e put down €1 and lose that if bet does not win and win odds if it does. DT Took the liberty of breaking your post into two parts for the purposes of this reply. In reverse order: 2. Correct. Exact same as a normal booking. Thing to look out for with decimal odds is 3.0 equates to 2/1 not 3/1 (it includes the returned stake in the forumla) 1. Afraid not - that would be free money. You would need 710 euro in your account and lay that. Then when you match your 710 you get to keep the 1 euro that you accepted the bet on if the bet doesn't return - otherwise you lose 710 euro. You are offering someone odds of 709/1 in other words. Laying is really only useful for two circumstances IMHO: a) you're playing the markets professionally and have huge amounts of capital to put up to win margins on. Laying just one player for example would be silly because you've not hedged your bets. You'd need to lay many outsiders so you get a return for your market but you've also diversified the risk. b) playing the market. -Pro's can do this in your phillipousis example above. Say he loses the first game and he drifts to 715 then you might decide to back him with 1 euro. If Phillipousis wins the whole thing then you get to keep 5 euro (pay out 710 and win 715). If he doesn't win the whole thing then you've no gain or no loss so you're guaranteed to break-even or finish on top. - Amateurs can do this if the price moves significantly enough. For example I backed the Klose/Germany double with 5 euro at 100. This is now available at 10 for example. I could decide to lay 25 euro at 10 because the price has moved to such an extent that I am guaranteed a respectable margin. So two scenarios here: (i) Klose and Germany win. In this case I pay out 250 euro and win 500 euro so I am up 250 euro. (ii) Klose and Germany don't win. In this instance I have paid out 5 euro and laid 25 euro so I have a net earnings of 20 euro. Either way I'm guaranteed a profit. So for professionals with big money and watching every market they can make a fair bit of money. For amateurs you can use it to cash in on a bet once the price has moved to a significant degree. |
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Post by steamboatsam on Jun 28, 2006 16:45:15 GMT
Yea I think its a problem with Mastercard alright. Will I have this same problem with a ladbrokes or Betfair account. Probably will. Might have to get my self a VISA. Also was floating around Betfair on the tennis and people have money layed on some real outsiders. Not to familiar on laying bets. 1. If I take one up to say lay Mark Philippoussis in the tennis at 710 at the moment on betfair and put €1 on it Do I win 710 if he gets knocked out out and lose the same if he goes on and wins? Seems like a no brainer to me if thats the case! Would I need €710 in account before I could lay this bet? I know there is a min bet of €4 so this is just an example. Anyone familiar with laying bets. 2. I presume backing bets on betfair is the same as a normal bookie, i.e put down €1 and lose that if bet does not win and win odds if it does. DT Took the liberty of breaking your post into two parts for the purposes of this reply. In reverse order: 2. Correct. Exact same as a normal booking. Thing to look out for with decimal odds is 3.0 equates to 2/1 not 3/1 (it includes the returned stake in the forumla) 1. Afraid not - that would be free money. You would need 710 euro in your account and lay that. Then when you match your 710 you get to keep the 1 euro that you accepted the bet on if the bet doesn't return - otherwise you lose 710 euro. You are offering someone odds of 709/1 in other words. Laying is really only useful for two circumstances IMHO: a) you're playing the markets professionally and have huge amounts of capital to put up to win margins on. Laying just one player for example would be silly because you've not hedged your bets. You'd need to lay many outsiders so you get a return for your market but you've also diversified the risk. b) playing the market. -Pro's can do this in your phillipousis example above. Say he loses the first game and he drifts to 715 then you might decide to back him with 1 euro. If Phillipousis wins the whole thing then you get to keep 5 euro (pay out 710 and win 715). If he doesn't win the whole thing then you've no gain or no loss so you're guaranteed to break-even or finish on top. - Amateurs can do this if the price moves significantly enough. For example I backed the Klose/Germany double with 5 euro at 100. This is now available at 10 for example. I could decide to lay 25 euro at 10 because the price has moved to such an extent that I am guaranteed a respectable margin. So two scenarios here: (i) Klose and Germany win. In this case I pay out 250 euro and win 500 euro so I am up 250 euro. (ii) Klose and Germany don't win. In this instance I have paid out 5 euro and laid 25 euro so I have a net earnings of 20 euro. Either way I'm guaranteed a profit. So for professionals with big money and watching every market they can make a fair bit of money. For amateurs you can use it to cash in on a bet once the price has moved to a significant degree. very interesting stuff on laying bets there Rock.....wouldn't mind learning a bit more about it.....any reading / websites you could recommend for the beginner? |
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