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Post by stickywithoutjam on Apr 24, 2006 9:20:48 GMT
Just don't know about this one. But after meeting the collective horde of Munster rugby fans, I was really in turmoil.
Aren't these guys really annoying? But were they more annoying than the Ross O'Carroll's up in Searsons this exact moment....I couldn't come to a definitive answer at all.
But one thing that nearly tipped the balance was the incessant "Irish by birth....Munster by the grace of God". Preserve us.
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 24, 2006 9:44:50 GMT
Just don't know about this one. But after meeting the collective horde of Munster rugby fans, I was really in turmoil. Aren't these guys really annoying? But were they more annoying than the Ross O'Carroll's up in Searsons this exact moment....I couldn't come to a definitive answer at all. But one thing that nearly tipped the balance was the incessant "Irish by birth....Munster by the grace of God". Preserve us. I believe sticky is a Leinster fan by now, having stayed in Dublin too long. |
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Post by stickywithoutjam on Apr 24, 2006 10:52:37 GMT
Don't get me wrong. Individually I think you lot are usually tolerable.
But altogether..the group dynamic just is off-putting, for me anyway.
"...Munster by the grrraaaace of Gad"- Like, to give Leinsterites their dues, they don't have a slogan that is so embedded in their psyche such as that. Its really irritating when you hear it over & over again and Munster people actually believe it.
It verges on sanctimonious, whilst in the same breath, Herman Munsters will lambast the Leinsters for being volvo driving fairweather uppity la-di-da toffs...yet yer one of Gods chosen. It just doesn't sit well with me, this mock underdog myth Munster fans seemingly have.
Not being a true rugby fan I really don't have an opinion, but Munster did deserve to win yesterday, they have invented a system whereby one can decide this fact i.e. the scoreline. So its not sour grapes. I truly was a bystander yesterday, I just wished Leinster made it a bit more of a competition.
Enjoy the triumph but less of the excess.
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 24, 2006 11:27:29 GMT
Don't get me wrong. Individually I think you lot are usually tolerable. But altogether..the group dynamic just is off-putting, for me anyway. "...Munster by the grrraaaace of Gad"- Like, to give Leinsterites their dues, they don't have a slogan that is so embedded in their psyche such as that. Its really irritating when you hear it over & over again and Munster people actually believe it. It verges on sanctimonious, whilst in the same breath, Herman Munsters will lambast the Leinsters for being volvo driving fairweather uppity la-di-da toffs...yet yer one of Gods chosen. It just doesn't sit well with me, this mock underdog myth Munster fans seemingly have. Not being a true rugby fan I really don't have an opinion, but Munster did deserve to win yesterday, they have invented a system whereby one can decide this fact i.e. the scoreline. So its not sour grapes. I truly was a bystander yesterday, I just wished Leinster made it a bit more of a competition. Enjoy the triumph but less of the excess. To be quite honest, Sticky, 'Munster by the grace of god...' is just a saying, the same as 'Stand up and fight'. maybe each province should have one. The Leinster one of 'C'mon Leinster' is driven by their sponsors. Munster dont use the toyota 'Best built team in the world' one. The 'Grace of God' isn't really embedded in our pysche, its just a saying. if it was embedded in our pysche as you claim, then we wouldn't suport Irish rugby teams or have cheered when Leinster scored their tries against Toulouse in their quarter-final win. On another matter and its only something I have heard anecdotally, but the reason Munster rugby does have a bit of the underdog feeling, harks back to the amateur days when Munster players found it hard to break into the Irish team due to a perceived bias towards dublin based players. This was also put down to the Dublin media. It took the AIL league and the Munster clubs evenyual dominance for a number of years to undo this. This also applied to English based players. In regard to the excess, I was around a few watering holes after the match and i must say that the Munster fans were quite gracious in victory with no abuse of Leinster fans (of which they were many still around) |
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Post by stickywithoutjam on Apr 24, 2006 12:45:03 GMT
A heartfelt reply there yoy, I did not mean to rattle cages in any way shape or form. I'll  in future. Re the being gracious to Leinster fans, yee were gracious in victory to the Leinsterites, thats if you could find them....there were none hangin around at all, they were all at their holiday homes that weekend, ironically all in Munster!! Ahoy  P.s. Don't blame me for an inferiority/superiority complex. Blame the Dublin Media like the DUP  (I am also trying to expand my emoticon vocabulary, see above) |
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Post by laahee on Apr 24, 2006 14:22:24 GMT
The thing with annoying fans is that, individually an annoying munster/leinster fan is easy to take, it's almost funny. But when these muck savages/toffs get together that's when hysteria and groupthink just blow any sense of reality out of the water.
It may boil down to the competitive nature that engulfs every aspect of these events. The competitiveness obviously just isn't on the pitch, but in the terraces/corporate boxes as well. As sticky pointed out tho, the competition for most annoying fans went right to the line. I think Tom McGurk pipped them all to the post.
It's a credit to both sets of fans however that they identify with the passion for their respective teams, and not disdain for their opponents
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 24, 2006 14:56:48 GMT
The thing with annoying fans is that, individually an annoying munster/leinster fan is easy to take, it's almost funny. But when these muck savages/toffs get together that's when hysteria and groupthink just blow any sense of reality out of the water. It may boil down to the competitive nature that engulfs every aspect of these events. The competitiveness obviously just isn't on the pitch, but in the terraces/corporate boxes as well. As sticky pointed out tho, the competition for most annoying fans went right to the line. I think Tom McGurk pipped them all to the post. It's a credit to both sets of fans however that they identify with the passion for their respective teams, and not disdain for their opponents jaysus what a first post......... and not even a sign of  or a  nevermind a  maybe this poster is ;D or even  but surely not  |
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Post by iamthelaw on Apr 24, 2006 15:00:35 GMT
A heartfelt reply there yoy, I did not mean to rattle cages in any way shape or form. I'll in future. Re the being gracious to Leinster fans, yee were gracious in victory to the Leinsterites, thats if you could find them I think you made it about half a line there before rattling another cage, stickie. Good effort though. As for the main question, despite my annoyance at Munster fans ignoring some perfectly good Munster songs - "The Banks", "Limerick you're a lady", and the mighty "There is an Isle" - to colonise one from Connacht, the most annoying song I've heard yet (sung at Leinster-Llanelli without a hint of irony) is "A Team of Emmet Byrnes". (All together "And number one ... is Emmet Byrne; and number two ... is Emmet Byrne; and number three" well I think you get the idea.) So I'd agree both sides have their extremists (as in "extremely annoying"). Fair play to the Munster fans I've come across since yesterday though, "in victory magnanimity". |
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 24, 2006 15:09:12 GMT
As for the main question, despite my annoyance at Munster fans ignoring some perfectly good Munster songs - "The Banks", "Limerick you're a lady", and the mighty "There is an Isle" - [/quote] Well, 'The banks', is a Cork song, so who from outside cork will know all of it. 'Limerick your a lady' is a Limerick song, so who from outside will know all of it. Plus 'There is an Isle' would be a mighty hard song to try and get going as it needs a leader (or a terrace of em) |
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Post by therock67 on Apr 24, 2006 15:37:40 GMT
A heartfelt reply there yoy, I did not mean to rattle cages in any way shape or form. I'll in future. Re the being gracious to Leinster fans, yee were gracious in victory to the Leinsterites, thats if you could find them the most annoying song I've heard yet (sung at Leinster-Llanelli without a hint of irony) is "A Team of Emmet Byrnes". (All together "And number one ... is Emmet Byrne; and number two ... is Emmet Byrne; and number three" well I think you get the idea.) Good God sounds horrific. |
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Post by iamthelaw on Apr 24, 2006 15:44:33 GMT
Well, 'The banks', is a Cork song, so who from outside cork will know all of it. 'Limerick your a lady' is a Limerick song, so who from outside will know all of it. Plus 'There is an Isle' would be a mighty hard song to try and get going as it needs a leader (or a terrace of em) If you're ruling out "The banks" and "Limerick you're a lady" for being Limerick and Cork songs, does that mean all Munster people (or Celtic supporters) are originally from Athenry? And if you're ruling them out cos people won't know all the words, most fans don't appear to know much more than the chorus of "The Fields" (and certainly not the second and third verses). And "There is an isle" shouldn't be so swiftly ruled out; every song needs someone to start it, there's no reason why the call-and-response form of this song can't work with 10,000 voices on each side. |
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 24, 2006 15:57:41 GMT
Well, 'The banks', is a Cork song, so who from outside cork will know all of it. 'Limerick your a lady' is a Limerick song, so who from outside will know all of it. Plus 'There is an Isle' would be a mighty hard song to try and get going as it needs a leader (or a terrace of em) If you're ruling out "The banks" and "Limerick you're a lady" for being Limerick and Cork songs, does that mean all Munster people (or Celtic supporters) are originally from Athenry? And if you're ruling them out cos people won't know all the words, most fans don't appear to know much more than the chorus of "The Fields" (and certainly not the second and third verses). And "There is an isle" shouldn't be so swiftly ruled out; every song needs someone to start it, there's no reason why the call-and-response form of this song can't work with 10,000 voices on each side. I'm ruling them out as not everybody will know all the words, the chorus; yes, but not more than one verse. The fields works well, as people generally know the majority of it. its pretty irrevelant that the fields happen to be near athenry. The call and response wont work in a stadium! As for your other point, not everybody who sings 'The banks' happens to live near the Lee |
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Post by iamthelaw on Apr 24, 2006 16:20:36 GMT
I'm ruling them out as not everybody will know all the words, the chorus; yes, but not more than one verse. The fields works well, as people generally know the majority of it. its pretty irrevelant that the fields happen to be near athenry. The call and response wont work in a stadium! As for your other point, not everybody who sings 'The banks' happens to live near the Lee Last point first: if Limerick people would have no problem singing "The Banks", and Cork people singing "Limerick you're a lady" except that they don't know the words, fair enough. I was just trying to cover that off as a possible objection. I still can't see that "The Fields" are relevant when you're playing another Irish province. I can't comment on whether "There is an isle" would work in a stadium, but I doubt it's ever been tried, so I dispute your claim that it wouldn't work until we've evidence one way or another. But I still don't see how you can rule the other two out on the basis that people will know "the chorus; yes, but not more than one verse"; every time I've heard "The Fields", it's consisted of Verse 1 (quietly) followed by the Chorus (repeat ad infinitem). |
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Post by whyohwhy on Apr 25, 2006 8:21:10 GMT
Try it in Cardiff then, iamthelaw, the roof will be closed so we'll be able to hear you.
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Post by cully on Apr 28, 2006 9:33:36 GMT
Ahoy to all,
mum was telling me that on Ryan Tubridy last week they had an ex-leinster man on, shane byrne and then some ex munster man on too, i reckon it was gaillimh but my mum can't recall exactly.
basically they were discussing the difference between the two sets of fans. the munster guy was saying that muns fans were great, passionate and jersey wearing fans who travel the length and breadth of the world if needs be to follow the reds.
shane byrne laughed, and stated that leinster fans went thru hardships too to support their team, that on a freezing friday night there'd be a load of birds in mini-skirts showing off their orange coloured tanned legs wearing ralph lauren. whilst there's some truth in it, to actually say it on tv shows what a wnker he is, offended leinster fans. you can say what you like (or should i say 'loike') about the typical leinster fan but they do get a decent following at the less glamourous celtic league games and then in the heino cup. it didn't surprise me when there was genuine excitement in the side post the toulouse game as the team had finally given the crowd something to actually be proud of. shame that they were showed up to be the spineless set of showboaters i always knew they were.
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Post by stickywithoutjam on Apr 28, 2006 10:13:17 GMT
Hats off Cully some honest comments there from the heart, from the sounds of it you are a passionate Leinster Fan. What stand were you in at Lansdowne?  |
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Post by cully on Apr 28, 2006 11:16:55 GMT
i was in london going through hell actually. is that smiley thing kissing at me ?
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Post by therock67 on Apr 28, 2006 12:45:58 GMT
Ahoy to all, mum was telling me that on Ryan Tubridy last week they had an ex-leinster man on, shane byrne and then some ex munster man on too, i reckon it was gaillimh but my mum can't recall exactly. basically they were discussing the difference between the two sets of fans. the munster guy was saying that muns fans were great, passionate and jersey wearing fans who travel the length and breadth of the world if needs be to follow the reds. shane byrne laughed, and stated that leinster fans went thru hardships too to support their team, that on a freezing friday night there'd be a load of birds in mini-skirts showing off their orange coloured tanned legs wearing ralph lauren. whilst there's some truth in it, to actually say it on tv shows what a wnker he is, offended leinster fans. you can say what you like (or should i say 'loike') about the typical leinster fan but they do get a decent following at the less glamourous celtic league games and then in the heino cup. it didn't surprise me when there was genuine excitement in the side post the toulouse game as the team had finally given the crowd something to actually be proud of. shame that they were showed up to be the spineless set of showboaters i always knew they were. Alright Cully - didn't catch your final marathon placing but from a quick glance at the results it didn't look top ten anyway. Your last sentence is bang on the money by the way. I think they have a chance to change but they need a radical overhaul of the personnel up front to do that. To be fair to most of the backs, at least they stand up to be counted, the pack is just a disgrace. |
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Post by cully on Apr 28, 2006 13:13:27 GMT
funny you should say that but i just missed out on the top ten, saw a video of the bbc's coverage during the week and they missed my sprint finish showing some losers who'd dressed up as nurses in aid of some hospital charity. ffs, what about the real athletes out there !?
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