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Post by Ball Ox on Jul 7, 2006 7:43:01 GMT
Right Humbug, yer on. 50 clams on, ok? We need to appoint a person to monitor the bet on my behalf while i am on holidays from 14th to early august. I suggest Law Lad, ok? and the bet obviously starts this weekend
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Post by humbug on Jul 7, 2006 18:55:03 GMT
Right Humbug, yer on. 50 clams on, ok? We need to appoint a person to monitor the bet on my behalf while i am on holidays from 14th to early august. I suggest Law Lad, ok? and the bet obviously starts this weekend Yes that's fine. 50 sheets it is. All the best... |
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Post by iamthelaw on Jul 8, 2006 0:25:58 GMT
We need to appoint a person to monitor the bet on my behalf while i am on holidays from 14th to early august. I suggest Law Lad, ok? and the bet obviously starts this weekend thanks, but no can do; am moving out this weekend & trying a "no tv" thing for as long as possible. |
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Post by Ball Ox on Jul 10, 2006 7:39:19 GMT
Right Humbug, yer on. 50 clams on, ok? We need to appoint a person to monitor the bet on my behalf while i am on holidays from 14th to early august. I suggest Law Lad, ok? and the bet obviously starts this weekend Yes that's fine. 50 sheets it is. All the best... Thanks humbug. your bet got off to a god start with Cork and Kerry, he blew up only 5 seconds from time (although he didi disallow a point at the end to preserve teh draw) none the less you draw first blood. PS, how comfortable are you with monitoring teh bet while im away, or do we need a third party?? PPS Up the Dubs |
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Post by humbug on Jul 10, 2006 18:45:04 GMT
Yes that's fine. 50 sheets it is. All the best... Thanks humbug. your bet got off to a god start with Cork and Kerry, he blew up only 5 seconds from time (although he didi disallow a point at the end to preserve teh draw) none the less you draw first blood. PS, how comfortable are you with monitoring teh bet while im away, or do we need a third party?? PPS Up the Dubs Armagh and Donegal was televised as well and although I was at the match the referee did seem to blow his whistle on time. |
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Post by therock67 on Jul 10, 2006 20:14:03 GMT
Thanks humbug. your bet got off to a god start with Cork and Kerry, he blew up only 5 seconds from time (although he didi disallow a point at the end to preserve teh draw) none the less you draw first blood. PS, how comfortable are you with monitoring teh bet while im away, or do we need a third party?? PPS Up the Dubs Armagh and Donegal was televised as well and although I was at the match the referee did seem to blow his whistle on time. They have to be draws though for them to count - that's the point of the bet. |
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Post by humbug on Jul 10, 2006 20:36:22 GMT
Armagh and Donegal was televised as well and although I was at the match the referee did seem to blow his whistle on time. They have to be draws though for them to count - that's the point of the bet. oh yeah, of course. |
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Post by steamboatsam on Jul 14, 2006 12:33:43 GMT
the show Park Live has been told that they will have to find a new studio for to broadcast the show from after Croke Park withdrew the use of the GAA museum. According to Peter McKenna, stadium director, Croke Park objected to on eof the sketches contained in the show. The sketch involved Neil Delamere and i presume it was the one that was a piss take interview with a black guy who had come to ireland and fell in love with hurling. Was actually pretty funny but i suppose some people would have viewed it as containing a hint of racism and there was also a joke reference to a priest coming into a changing room. i think the line was "...and then Fr XXX came into the dressing room and gave us one...............a hurley that is....."
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Post by iamthelaw on Jul 16, 2006 11:29:51 GMT
So three of the four qualifiers are from Leinster - and could have been four maybe if not for Mattie's absence. I thought Ulster were meant to have the strength in depth?
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Post by iamthelaw on Jul 16, 2006 22:01:31 GMT
A few moments of levity from the weekend's games, before the serious analysis starts:
Watching (on TV) the stewards lead the pitch invasion in Longford
Announcement in Croke Park on Sunday: "Stewards to Plan B please" (which seemed to mean letting everyone on the pitch). Plan A must have been for an Offaly win.
Commentary from the Cork game: "A real hit and hope one ... [goes over for a point] it's a sensational kick!"
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Post by humbug on Jul 16, 2006 22:40:51 GMT
Nasty incident in Croker today. I was in the Lower Cusack and during the game the ref made yet another bad decision and some clown a few rows back from me threw a full bottle of fanta down onto the pitch and it hit a steward in the head. The poor chap was carted off on a stretcher. The Gardaí were quickly on the scene and the people in the crowd pointed out the man who threw the bottle. Fair fooks to them beacuse he looked a right hard chaw. The Gardaí arrested him anyway and the crowd all started to clap. The hard chaw was a Dubs supporter but the Dubs around me really got stuck into him...told him he was a fookin disgrace whilst others told him to take his Dublin jersey off.
That streaker that came on at half-time looked handy enough. Scored 1-1 down the Hill 16 end he did.
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Post by humbug on Jul 16, 2006 22:42:27 GMT
at least I think it was fanta...thinking back it could have been a bottle of club orange. |
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Post by iamthelaw on Jul 16, 2006 22:51:13 GMT
Nasty incident in Croker today. I was in the Lower Cusack and during the game the ref made yet another bad decision and some clown a few rows back from me threw a full bottle of fanta down onto the pitch and it hit a steward in the head. The poor chap was carted off on a stretcher. The Gardaí were quickly on the scene and the people in the crowd pointed out the man who threw the bottle. Fair fooks to them beacuse he looked a right hard chaw. The Gardaí arrested him anyway and the crowd all started to clap. The hard chaw was a Dubs supporter but the Dubs around me really got stuck into him...told him he was a fookin disgrace whilst others told him to take his Dublin jersey off. Cheers, was wondering why everyone suddenly started looking the opposite direction from the action. That streaker that came on at half-time looked handy enough. Scored 1-1 down the Hill 16 end he did. Yeah, it was funny when the stewards seemed to let him back into the Hill too, then changed their minds and got him back out to talk to the Gardaí. |
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Post by bandage on Jul 17, 2006 12:51:50 GMT
A few miscellaneous points from the weekend's GAA action.
Only saw the Dublin from the 20th minute on but their backs look much more settled now with the imperious Bryan Cullen at centre back. Ciarán Whelan is having a smashing year in midfield and they have a number of threats up front now. Yesterday Quinn, Sherlock and Brogan were exceptional while the last day Keaney and Cosgrove took all the plaudits up front. They also look ridiculously fit and strong – their upper body strength and ability to both break tackles themselves and stop the opposition in their tracks was very impressive. They were able to switch up an extra gear in the second half when required too – they’re looking very good. Two minor quibbles they don't close down a team like Armagh do but I suppose their flambuoyant attacking style should be welcomed. There were incidents yesterday when the wing backs and Cullen were bombing forward leaving 2 on 2 at the back where McNamee and Deehan were looking dangerous. Other teams would have left a sweeper back to give the corner backs more protection. There was also the odd example of poor option taking - Keaney, despite having a good game, was guilty of this on occasion. But they have a smashing work ethic and really play for each other.
Connacht Final was brutal stuff. Mayo don't have enough class up front to win an All Ireland, Galway probably do but they don't have a good enough midfield to feed their forwards. The guy McGarrity was excellent in midfield for Mayo.
Fair play to Cork for coming back a second day and turning Kerry over. They really got stuck into them in a determined way and some of the points kicked by Masters were superb. Cork dominated midfield again and Kerry looked very flat apparently. The guys on The Sunday Game said too much mileage on the clock but is it that simple? The likes of the O'Sé's and those lads should have a few more years in the tank anyway. Is it a happy camp I wonder?
Thought The Sunday Game was okay last night apart from the lack of analysis on the qualifier games on Saturday. Sligo had 3 men sent off against Westmeath, including their best player, Eamonn O'Hara, for a second yellow when it was in fact Seán Davey who committed the foul. They then lost by a point to a last minute of extra time goal. That must have been tough to take.
Saturday night's game in Enniskillen proved to me yet again that Barry Owens is the best full back in the country. A phenomenal footballer. Really enjoyed his two tussles with Ronan Clarke the other week too. The penalty the referee gave Fermanagh on half time was a shocking decision. He gave it for a foot block by Philip Wallace even though the full forward drilled the ball low and hard at his shins from about 3 yards in front of him. I was sure I was correct inthinking a foot block is where somebody sticks their boot in to block a shot rather than stand their ground and see the ball cannon off them? Alas, the better team won anyway but I wouldn't mind some clarification on this. Also Matty Forde made his Wexford senior debut in our last appearance in Enniskillen in the NFL in 1999. How I wish he could have played there again on Saturday.
Smashing win for Longford too. Some pressure kick by Paul Barden at the end to win it. Saw him and Rory Stafford make their respective championship debuts in New Ross in 1999 in a classic drawn match where his raw talent was very obvious. He is some footballer.
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Post by tommymoore on Jul 17, 2006 13:01:15 GMT
Good point on whether it's a happy camp or not bandage. Was talking to one of my mates down in Kerry the week before the 1st Cork game and he said there was nothing but infighting in the camp. Apparantly the O'Se's are fighting with some of the management team. They looked poor yesterday (from what I saw on the Sunday game anyway) and Cork deserved there win.
Kerry down to play Armagh in the QF's now. That's them finished seeing as they couldnt beat the Nordie teams when they were going well not to mind when they aren't playing well.
From what I read this morning the draw for the QF's and semis is as follows:
All-Ireland SFC Round 4 qualifiers:
Saturday, July 29: Kerry v Longford; Donegal v Fermanagh.
Sunday, July 30: Galway v Westmeath; Laois v Offaly (Venues to be announced today).
All-Ireland SFC Quarter-finals draw
Aug 5 Armagh v Kerry/Longford Cork v Donegal/Fermanagh.
Aug 12 Dublin v Galway/Westmeath Mayo v Offaly/Laois.
Looks like a Dublin V Armagh final at this stage anyway.
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Post by therock67 on Jul 17, 2006 13:09:40 GMT
I've only ever seen one missile being thrown at Croke Park before and it was also a bottle of Club Orange (a Westmeath fan at Paidi O Sé for not introducing Joe Fallon).
On the Dublin match I concur with Bandage about the uppper body strength. The half backs and half forwards were riding tackles all day without a bother. A couple of times Brogan or someone would have the ball near the sideline and he was just bursting through tackles without getting knocked into touch. Hugely impressive fitness.
Great to see Whelan having an excellent season at Ryan is unrecognisable alongside him. He's putting in a power of work as you'd expect, but he's also winning a lot of ball in the air which is new for him. There was a statistic at the end of the game yesterday about kickouts won and Offaly were 12/22 and Dublin 15/16 or something like that. That is remarkable dominance - even allowing for McNamee's departure.
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Post by bandage on Jul 17, 2006 13:15:42 GMT
As iamthelaw alluded to earlier the last 12 make up is:
5 Leinster
3 Ulster
2 Connacht
2 Munster
Maybe our inter-provincial win under lights last winter in Parnell Park was a sign of a seismic shift of power!
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Post by steamboatsam on Jul 17, 2006 14:30:48 GMT
it's interesting how people continuously harp on about how weaker teams like Wexford are so dependent on one player, yet little was said about how reliant Kerry have been on the Gooch in the past couple of years. Some horrendous misses yesterday (by his standards) and Kerry were completely lost without him chipping in 6/7 points - as Spillane said in one of his less annoying moments, he is suffering from a broken back after carrying the team for so long.
Delighted for the shower of arrogant fooks. it's times like this one would miss whyohwhy....
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Post by humbug on Jul 17, 2006 18:13:16 GMT
Re the Gooch: I don't know if I'm getting this from a previous post on this website or if I heard it elsewhere (I'm too lazy to check) but apparently the Gooch has been on the Hooch since his old man passed away. Perhaps someone can clarify this.
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Post by steamboatsam on Jul 17, 2006 22:05:38 GMT
Re the Gooch: I don't know if I'm getting this from a previous post on this website or if I heard it elsewhere (I'm too lazy to check) but apparently the Gooch has been on the Hooch since his old man passed away. Perhaps someone can clarify this. i heard that too humbug, can't remember the source though |
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Post by bandage on Jul 18, 2006 8:40:29 GMT
Can anyone see anything other than Cork, Kilkenny and Clare wins in the hurling this weekend? The other game is very interesting. I think Waterford will be serious challengers now with Mullane and McGrath fully fit and think they might be able to take Tipperary.
Wexford generally rouse themselves for at least one game a season (especially after being well beaten by Kilkenny and not expending all their energy in that game). 2001 beaten comfortably by KK, then beat Limerick and take Tipp to semi final replay. 2002 run KK very close but lose easily to Clare the following week. 2003 beaten again by KK by 8 or 9 points and respond by playing magnificently against Waterford and take Cork to a semi final replay. 2004 beat KK but bomb against Cork in the semi final. 2005 nearly beat KK but are dismal against Clare in the QF. This year they have been very poor against Offaly and KK (with the exception of the backs) so will they come from nowhere with a performance against Clare? I hope so but I wouldn't have any confidence in them. They are just too unpredictable. Maybe if they throw Darragh Ryan in full forward or something and he absolutely mills a few of their defenders!
Cork and Kilkenny games look fairly clear cut. Very disappointing to see Galway apparently fail to build on last year but maybe they'll prove me wrong.
It still looks like Cork, Kilkenny, Clare and Waterford (barely) to me.
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Post by therock67 on Jul 18, 2006 9:46:47 GMT
Sour grapes from Offaly. Disappointing to read such a blinkered view of the game. There was no possibility of Cluxton being sent off for his foul and Kilmurray is glossing over the fact that McNamee had already been booked. His taking out of Goggins off the ball was just as cynical as Cluxton's tackle. Finally, Cathal Daly was hadly "split from knee to ankle."
Kilmurray blames Goggins for card
Offaly manager Kevin Kilmurray has accused Dublin defender Coman Goggins of influencing the dismissal of Alan McNamee in Sunday's Leinster final by over-reacting to the foul that led to referee Marty Duffy showing the midfielder a second yellow card.
"The referee has got to be true to himself and not Coman Goggins," said Kilmurray.
"The referee knows Goggins made a meal of the challenge. It seemed, at the time, like all the ambulances from the Mater would not be able to look after him. Cathal Daly was split from knee to ankle by Stephen Cluxton but he got up. He wasn't looking to have any player sent off. He didn't stay down."
Kilmurray also claimed McNamee was unlucky to receive the first yellow card as he was not the culprit.
The national media and Duffy came in for severe criticism from Kilmurray, whose comments were not heat of the moment as they were made 24 hours after Offaly's defeat to Dublin.
"What about the Cluxton issue? Nobody in the Dublin media stated he should have been sent off."
Kilmurray was referring to a heavy foul by the Dublin goalkeeper, when caught in no man's land, that denied Daly a clear shot at an open goal.
Duffy produced a yellow card but Niall McNamee was wide with the straightforward free that would have put Offaly a point clear at half-time.
"Cluxton gets a yellow card for that challenge but for Alan McNamee the referee couldn't get his red card out of his jumper quick enough.
"If it had been the Offaly goalkeeper there would be no question that he would have walked. That's my reading on it but I'm going to have another look at the video again.
"The referee was too nervous for this kind of game. That match called for experience. I'm sure he is going to be a good referee in time but everyone, including the referee, knew it was going to be a physical match. Both teams are at peak fitness and have gone out of their way to get bigger physically.
"How many yellow cards were there? Too many, and it wasn't a dirty game."
Including the two cautions that led to McNamee's sending off, Duffy produced nine yellow cards on a five-to-four split favouring Offaly.
In comparison to the other provincial finals, nine yellow cards is not excessive. The Ulster final saw 13, Connacht five, Munster five and one straight red (which was overturned). The Munster final replay yielded six.
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Post by whyohwhy on Jul 18, 2006 10:46:35 GMT
it's interesting how people continuously harp on about how weaker teams like Wexford are so dependent on one player, yet little was said about how reliant Kerry have been on the Gooch in the past couple of years. Some horrendous misses yesterday (by his standards) and Kerry were completely lost without him chipping in 6/7 points - as Spillane said in one of his less annoying moments, he is suffering from a broken back after carrying the team for so long. Delighted for the shower of arrogant fooks. it's times like this one would miss whyohwhy.... Generally we have been reliant on him cos the other forwards have been below their normal standards. O'Cinneide & Hassett (even) are missed this year badly. Generally other 'Weaker' teams dont have the back up that the Gooch should have, i emphasise should. Mike Frank has lost it, Declan O Sullivan is out of position, Bryan Sheehan is not a full forward. The main problem is positioning. The rumours of trouble in the camp are all true, its not a happy camp, I witnessed it myself when i was at my home club and certain members of the squad trained with their club instead of the county team on the thursday before the 1st Cork match. O'Connor isn't strong enough to stand up to the players. the Gaeltacht players are still unhappy over the muppet Paidi's shafting by the County Board (even when Jack won them an All-Ireland in his 1st year). Take it easy on the slandering of the Gooch and booze. He did lose his father early on in the year, give him a break, as its plain to see its affected his form this year. Cork fans are fucking scumbgs of the lowest sort, the abuse they gave him in Kerry was something terrible, that coupled with the other personal abuse they gave Davy Fitzgerald has put them in a fucking terrible light. Scumbags plain & simple. Steamer, our arrogance comes from having 33 senior all-ireland titles and i fooking love it!!!!!  tis nice to be back too  |
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Post by bandage on Jul 18, 2006 10:57:35 GMT
A few biff acquaintances of mine were up in arms over the referee’s performance too. Myself, Bandage senior and my brother watched the game (as I said I missed the first 20 minutes). Overall I thought the referee had a very good game. As my brother pointed out Alan McNamee was sent off after making 4 fouls, if every player on the pitch committed 4 fouls then that’s 120 fouls and the game is ruined. He was given a black book between his two bookings (on his 3rd foul), didn’t heed the warning, committed the body check and had to go. That is the point of the yellow cards and I think the referee applied them absolutely correctly to ensure the game flowed and this added to what was an enjoyable game to watch as a neutral.
I do, however, have some sympathy for them regarding the Cluxton case. There is no professional foul rule in GAA as there is in soccer so it’s irrelevant that the guy had a potential open goal. The referee has to judge whether it was a yellow or red card based on the nature of the foul. I think this was a very tight decision. Remember also that there is no need to slide in and use studs in gaelic football because a) a slide tackle is illegal and b) you can use your hands. So Cluxton storming out, realising he was going to be beaten and then sliding in and using his studs to take Daly down is at best rash and at worst dangerous and cynical. I think I would have given him a red card in this instance but I can’t really quibble with the referee giving him a yellow and I don’t think the fact that he did so can be used as a stick to beat him with. It was a very borderline decision.
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Post by humbug on Jul 18, 2006 21:03:22 GMT
Re the Gooch: I don't know if I'm getting this from a previous post on this website or if I heard it elsewhere (I'm too lazy to check) but apparently the Gooch has been on the Hooch since his old man passed away. Perhaps someone can clarify this. It was not my intention to "slander" the Gooch. It was just a rumour I heard and you know these GAA rumours the half of them are untrue so I was just curious to see if it was in fact the case. That is all. |
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