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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 23, 2006 10:33:57 GMT
WOW isnt it time for your contribution form danger here . com?? Surely some stuff must have accumulated by now??? no updates there, since the last one loneranger, but i'll be keeping my eye in........ |
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Post by Ball Ox on Jun 23, 2006 10:56:56 GMT
OK, well here are some big Ron quotes from teh aforementioned site:
Football Knowledge
Football may be a beautiful game, but it's not a simple one. Establishing the mastery that Ron exudes takes years of experience and training. Witness these astonishing insights from the big goldhorse. It just doesn't have a price....
"They've done the old-fashioned things well; they've kicked the ball, they've headed it..."
"I've had this sneaking feeling throughout the game that it's there to be won."
"Woodcock would have scored, but his shot was too perfect."
"They must go for it now as they have nothing to lose but the match."
"Now Manchester United are 2-1 down on aggregate, they are in a better position than when they started the game at 1-1."
Mastery Of Language
(a) The metaphor
Co-commentating apprentices like Beglin and Waddle may think it's sufficient to arm yourself with a single metaphor before commenting on an incident. Not Ron. Real legends come to the party with metaphors and similes aplenty, and do not hesitate to lump the whole lot into a single sentence if the situation demands. Confusion? We prefer to call it genius.
"Beckenbauer has really gambled all his eggs."
"Tony Adams - he's the rock that the team has grown from."
"He sliced the ball when he had it on a plate."
"Someone in the England team will have to grab the ball by the horns."
"They've picked their heads up off the ground and they now have a lot to carry on their shoulders."
"He's treading on dangerous water there..."
"Chelsea look like they've got a couple more gears left in the locker."
(b) Clarity
Ron's spent long enough wrestling with The Sun crossword to know that people don't like to be kept guessing. While peppering his co-commentary with fascinating insights and useful facts, Ron's precise language skills ensure that even the non-initiated can closely follow events on the pitch.
"There's a little triangle - five left-footed players."
"For me the book’s still open on Totti."
"You think he’d chance his hat there."
"Liverpool are outnumbered numerically in midfield."
"I would also think that the replay showed it to be worse than it actually was."
"He's not only a good player, but he's spiteful in the nicest sense of the word."
"The keeper was unsighted - he still didn't see it."
"You half fancied that to go in as it was rising and dipping at the same time."
"That was Pele's strength - holding people off with his arm."
Decisiveness
It's no picnic putting your neck on the line with bold predictions every week, you know. Look what happened to Rodney Marsh’s hair and Lawro’s tache, for example. Ron, in the best tradition of plucky punditry is never afraid to call it early.
"I wouldn't say Ginola is the best left winger in the Premiership, but there are none better."
"Well, either side could win it, or it could be a draw."
"City will want to win this one."
Awareness
High profile purveyors of punditry have to continually look over their shoulders. There's always a smartarse keen to twist their words for comic effect. With that in mind, Ron's eventual demise was all the more surprising. Such an experienced campaigner has always known the value of choosing his words carefully.
"Moreno thought that the full back was gonna come up behind and give him one really hard."
"There's lots of balls dropping off people."
"Ever time Zidane comes inside, Roberto Carlos just goes bonking down the wing."
"He dribbles a lot and the opposition don't like it - you can see it all over their faces."
"Zidane is not very happy, because he's suffering from the wind."
"Stoichkov's playing on the wing, in this situation he likes to come in and scalp the centre-half."
"I think Sir Alex might have been thinking about pulling Giggsy off... but that might be an incentive to stay on."
Raw Talent
There aren’t enough lollipops and little eyebrows in the world to match the style on show in the gantry when Ron gives it the full gun. Class will out. Spotters badge, sir.
"I never comment on referees and I'm not going to break the habit of a lifetime for that prat."
"A ten-foot keeper really should have stopped that."
"They've come out at half time and gone bang."
"The lad throws it further than I go on holiday."
"..and Schmeichel extends and grows even bigger than he is."
"I think that was a moment of cool panic there."
PS an exalt for pointing out that site WOW
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 24, 2006 22:21:31 GMT
Stephen Alkin: "Argentina perhaps fortunate to go in ahead; at half-time here in Leipzig, it's Argentina 1 Mexico 1" Mark Kinsella on Argentina's winner: "Joe Cole-like". Is that a compliment now? Alkin also referred to Tevez racing through "like a bulldog". Indeed Alkin himself showed tenacity (a quality more usually attributed than is speed to bulldogs) to an annoying extent in his use of certain phrases: - we may be facing penalties here (used 3 times that I counted)
- Heinze was perhaps lucky not to get a red card (5 times)
- we think that goal was an O.G. off Borgetti (5 times)
Interesting to see the RTE analysts complaining about the referee in Germany-Sweden spoiling the game by handing out a red card that none of them argued was undeserved, while in the Argentina game they felt the ref apparently "bottled it" by not giving the red card. Dunphy was missing from the second debate of course, but an irritating lack of consistency from the others. |
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 25, 2006 18:27:25 GMT
So, brutal match this afternoon (even though I'd money on Ecuador I didn't mind seeing them go out since they were so boring, even worse than England) but lit up by one moment of magic.
I refer of course to Dunphy describing Garth Crooks' "interview" with Sven as "the first time I've ever seen sex between two men on the BBC". Even if it didn't meet with universal approval, Bill saying "this is a family show" & Gilesy "you didn't have to say that Eamonn".
Another class moment was when Bill asked the panellists what they thought Sven's selection would be for the quarter, and Gilesy replied "Haven't a clue Bill".
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Post by Ball Ox on Jun 26, 2006 6:19:47 GMT
Dunphy was on flying form on sunday when he launched a scathing attack on Beckham, calling him a sham. Also his comment after the Garth Crooks interview with Sven was hilarious: "Thats the first time I've seen two men having sex on the BBC." - Quality.
Indeed there was plenty more of where that came from over the weekend. Giles had a classic on saturday with his opinion of Germany "They have some very good qualities, and some very bad qualities." And Denis Irwin gave his two cents: "Ibrahemavic got a shot off."
Never to be outdone, the Ger Loughnane gave his usual hopeless romantic opinion on the possibility of a Tipperary upset in yesterday's Munster SHC Final: "Maybe Babs (Keating) has that magic potion up his sleeves, or down his trousers or somewhere else like that"
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 26, 2006 22:43:33 GMT
A night off for Dunphy, so not much in the way of great commentary, though there was one good moment in Switzerland-Ukraine:
"It looks like we're heading for 30 minutes' extra time for the first time in this World Cup" - George ("if i wasn't commentating the game on Saturday didn't happen") Hamilton
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Post by Ball Ox on Jun 30, 2006 7:23:55 GMT
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Post by jimmyhillschin on Jun 30, 2006 7:36:34 GMT
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Post by Ball Ox on Jul 3, 2006 16:44:37 GMT
George Hamilton on saturday: "Portugal have knocked England out of the world cup. Just like they did in Euro 2004"
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Post by therock67 on Jul 4, 2006 9:30:41 GMT
Just remembered there - not sure who was commentating for RTE on the France - Spain game but when Zidane scored his header it was a big shout of "Side Netting!" He was trying to look all clever by explaining why some of the fans were (mistakenly) cheering but came across like a complete tool.
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Post by bandage on Jul 4, 2006 11:55:36 GMT
Just remembered there - not sure who was commentating for RTE on the France - Spain game but when Zidane scored his header it was a big shout of "Side Netting!" He was trying to look all clever by explaining why some of the fans were (mistakenly) cheering but came across like a complete tool. It was Darragh Moloney for Paddy V's header. I forgave him because he's usually competent enough. |
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Post by therock67 on Jul 4, 2006 13:11:40 GMT
Just remembered there - not sure who was commentating for RTE on the France - Spain game but when Zidane scored his header it was a big shout of "Side Netting!" He was trying to look all clever by explaining why some of the fans were (mistakenly) cheering but came across like a complete tool. It was Darragh Moloney for Paddy V's header. I forgave him because he's usually competent enough. Don't know where I got Zidane from - meant Paddy V of course. Yeah Moloney is generally competent but that was a dreadful moment. He was much too quick to shout it - trying to be too clever by half. |
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Post by therock67 on Jul 4, 2006 21:40:13 GMT
Dunphy's good value for tv usually but Christ he's annoying when you don't agree with him.
"Germany got found out tonight. They are very average." That fucking game could have gone either way. He's not even honest enough to admit it when he calls it wrong.
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Post by bandage on Jul 5, 2006 7:55:06 GMT
Yeah that annoyed me too. I had said to Eamo offline that though Italy were marginally the better side it would not have been an injustice if Germany had banged in a late winner either. It was just simply a superb game of football and it's great to see that on the highest stage. Very harsh to called Germany average and mediocre - they have shown themselves to be far better than that - considering the fine lines and tight margins at the highest level of these competitions.
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Post by jimmyhillschin on Jul 5, 2006 12:04:52 GMT
Dunphys comment on Cannavaro was great "He's worth 100 million quid a day, he's the the kinda guy you wanna go to work with"
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Post by Ball Ox on Jul 5, 2006 15:16:57 GMT
actually he said he's the kind of guy you want to go into war with. fact
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Post by jimmyhillschin on Jul 5, 2006 15:20:34 GMT
Correction taken Rangers, im pretty sure the first part isn't right as well
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Post by Ball Ox on Jul 5, 2006 15:24:38 GMT
The first part is right. He was talking about Ferdinand being worth 120k a week and he said then that carnival was worth X a day, not sure about teh figures.
"Totti is not all totti" - Liam Brady
"He's a fancy Dan, Bill" - John Giles
"Oh, look at Toni" - Darragh Maloney (is a cunt)
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Post by therock67 on Jul 5, 2006 15:27:32 GMT
I've never seen Rodney Marsh play but I liked the way they compared Totti to Marsh. Totti was awful last night - still never seen him play well.
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Post by bandage on Jul 5, 2006 15:45:16 GMT
I saw Totti play 4 or 5 superb balls - 2 through balls in the first half, one where Perotta should have scored and one after half time where a goal was prevented with a last ditch tackle. I thought it was one of those cases where the RTE boys wouldn't let the facts get in the way as they'd already made up their minds he was a poor player before the game.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jul 6, 2006 2:09:12 GMT
actually he said he's the kind of guy you want to go into war with. fact And he said it in such a way that made you feel that he's been looking for someone to go into war with & now he's finally found him. |
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