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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 9:43:28 GMT
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 10:01:43 GMT
Written by bandage by the way - as if ye wouldn't have guessed!
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 8, 2006 10:10:28 GMT
More of a television audience in Cork & Limerick, than Offaly & Wexford. Simple choice for RTE really
Its a pity TG4 &/or Setanta dont get a choice of 'second rated matches'.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 8, 2006 10:10:41 GMT
Written by bandage by the way - as if ye wouldn't have guessed! Was just about to congratulate Shager for taking such a generous view of the yellowbellies, but I imagine she is too busy celebrating Offaly's fourth win in a fortnight over Kildare. And still (at least) one more match-up to come, with DRA as referee. A series to rival Dublin-Meath 1991. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 10:24:10 GMT
Written by bandage by the way - as if ye wouldn't have guessed! Was just about to congratulate Shager for taking such a generous view of the yellowbellies, but I imagine she is too busy celebrating Offaly's fourth win in a fortnight over Kildare. And still (at least) one more match-up to come, with DRA as referee. A series to rival Dublin-Meath 1991. You're really getting into this GAA lark aren't you? |
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Post by bandage on Jun 8, 2006 10:42:46 GMT
More of a television audience in Cork & Limerick, than Offaly & Wexford. Simple choice for RTE really Its a pity TG4 &/or Setanta dont get a choice of 'second rated matches'. See I don't agree with this. There's a dearth of decent hurling matches and we're bombarded with a lot of football. I'd be interested to see what people from traditionally more football counties think here. Would you prefer to watch Cork-Limerick in football or Wexico-Offaly in hurling? There's still a very large hurling watching audience out there even in non-hurling counties - the likes of humbug might testify to this? They're already showing Armagh-Fermanagh on Sunday, surely it would make more sense to follow this up with the hurling. I know both counties have slipped lately but it's still got the makings of a very entertaining game whereas Cork and Limerick is hardly Dublin-Meath or Tyrone-Armagh. |
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 8, 2006 10:46:09 GMT
You're really getting into this GAA lark aren't you? A man for all seasons, me. Just biding my time till the Kramnik-Topalov unification match in September when I can get the Chess Thread underway. |
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Post by briantinnion on Jun 8, 2006 10:51:01 GMT
Another excellent article from Bandage, well done. I share your disgruntlement with Wexford supporters and the lack of support for our footballers, I reckon there was scarcely more than 2,000 fans at headquarters for the display against Meath. I really don’t know what the footballers have to do to drum up some support. |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 11:01:00 GMT
More of a television audience in Cork & Limerick, than Offaly & Wexford. Simple choice for RTE really Its a pity TG4 &/or Setanta dont get a choice of 'second rated matches'. See I don't agree with this. There's a dearth of decent hurling matches and we're bombarded with a lot of football. I'd be interested to see what people from traditionally more football counties think here. Would you prefer to watch Cork-Limerick in football or Wexico-Offaly in hurling? There's still a very large hurling watching audience out there even in non-hurling counties - the likes of humbug might testify to this? They're already showing Armagh-Fermanagh on Sunday, surely it would make more sense to follow this up with the hurling. I know both counties have slipped lately but it's still got the makings of a very entertaining game whereas Cork and Limerick is hardly Dublin-Meath or Tyrone-Armagh. After a couple of rare disagreements on Joyce yesterday it's nice to be back sharing Bandage's esteemed opinion. Much prefer to see Wexford v Offaly than Cork v Limerick in football. There is a danger that RTE buy into all the hype and just show Munster hurling. |
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 8, 2006 12:30:04 GMT
More of a television audience in Cork & Limerick, than Offaly & Wexford. Simple choice for RTE really Its a pity TG4 &/or Setanta dont get a choice of 'second rated matches'. See I don't agree with this. There's a dearth of decent hurling matches and we're bombarded with a lot of football. I'd be interested to see what people from traditionally more football counties think here. Would you prefer to watch Cork-Limerick in football or Wexico-Offaly in hurling? There's still a very large hurling watching audience out there even in non-hurling counties - the likes of humbug might testify to this? They're already showing Armagh-Fermanagh on Sunday, surely it would make more sense to follow this up with the hurling. I know both counties have slipped lately but it's still got the makings of a very entertaining game whereas Cork and Limerick is hardly Dublin-Meath or Tyrone-Armagh. Well they have showed 2 Munster hurling matches so far this championship, so I dont think that classifies as a 'dearth of decent hurling matches'. RTE will show the matches that get the biggest ratings and they obviously dont believe that Offaly-Wexford will get the ratings to match Cork-Limerick. Like most non-Leinster people, I cant see Kilkenny losing Leinster this year, even with DJ gone. I know there have been a few upsets over the years, but upsets were all they were. So Offaly-Wexford wont be a ratings puller. Maybe RTE feel that way too. Personally, I'd rather see Cork & Limerick, to see who Kerry will be meeting in the Munster Final after they beat Declan Browne and his 14 mates. But thats just me. As for you comment re non-hurling counties and watching audience. I would agree, I love watching the hurling, but Offaly-Wexford doesnt really get the juices flowing for me. Maybe its because I'm inclined towards the Munster championship, but it comes across as a better provincial championship. I'd rather watch a Munster hurling match than the Armagh-Fermanagh or most football matches at this stage of the season, the hurling is more competitive at the moment. I'll just watch Cork-Limerick to see how the opponents are faring. |
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Post by bandage on Jun 8, 2006 12:51:16 GMT
Well they have showed 2 Munster hurling matches so far this championship, so I dont think that classifies as a 'dearth of decent hurling matches'. RTE will show the matches that get the biggest ratings and they obviously dont believe that Offaly-Wexford will get the ratings to match Cork-Limerick. Like most non-Leinster people, I cant see Kilkenny losing Leinster this year, even with DJ gone. I know there have been a few upsets over the years, but upsets were all they were. So Offaly-Wexford wont be a ratings puller. Maybe RTE feel that way too. Personally, I'd rather see Cork & Limerick, to see who Kerry will be meeting in the Munster Final after they beat Declan Browne and his 14 mates. But thats just me. As for you comment re non-hurling counties and watching audience. I would agree, I love watching the hurling, but Offaly-Wexford doesnt really get the juices flowing for me. Maybe its because I'm inclined towards the Munster championship, but it comes across as a better provincial championship. I'd rather watch a Munster hurling match than the Armagh-Fermanagh or most football matches at this stage of the season, the hurling is more competitive at the moment. I'll just watch Cork-Limerick to see how the opponents are faring. Fair enough it's a difference of opinion. When I say 'dearth of hurling matches' I meant in contrast to football. For example only the Munster and Leinster hurling finals will be televised live - lack of strength in other provinces. With all 32 counties competing in the football championship there will be four provincial finals to televise. In addition there will be more football qualifier games televised due to more numbers taking part and hence more qualifier rounds. Therefore, I think it's imperative to show as much hurling as possible what with the number of real contenders decreasing each year at an alarming rate. I agree Kilkenny are raging favourites for Leinster but that's not to say that Wexford-Offaly in Nowlan Park in front of 25k won't be a game and occasion worth televising. Especially when you consider Limerick have probably missed the boat as regards to making a football breakthrough with all their dual players back playing hurling this year. I expect a relatively small attendance for that game on Sunday - it just doesn't whet the appetite. I still maintain that a lot of traditionally football folk whether they be from Mayo, Meath, Monaghan or wherever would prefer to watch Wexford and Offaly. Both teams have a very large neutral support around the country - maybe it was because of the romantic breakthroughs both counties made in recent decades to break up the Cork, Tipp and Kilkenny cartel - but the amount of people from Kildare, Meath, Wicklow, Dublin etc I've met at Wexford football matches who told me they support Wexford in hurling is huge. Even humbug, a north Wicklow man, told me before that himself, his brother and his Dad leapt around the living room celebrating when Wexford beat KK in 2004 with the last second goal. I don't think Cork or Limerick footballers entice that kind of reaction in neutrals and that's before you factor in the hurling strongholds around the country where people will switch on the telly for the game on Sunday and cry, 'Ah bo**ox - they're showing this football scheidt!' |
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Post by humbug on Jun 8, 2006 12:57:28 GMT
Tough call on which match should be shown. If I'm totally honest I don't think either will be much of a spectacle. How many good matches has the Leinster SHC thrown up over the last ten years or so? The only ones which stand out for me have been the ones were Wexford have beaten Kilkenny. RTE have been badly stung with the Leinster SHC...so many one-sided games.
I'm going to try and make it to Armagh v Fermanagh (if I'm not playing a match myself). Should be a dinger...Clones, fog horns, overcast sky, young lads gee-eyed on Bulmers...doesn't get much better.
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 8, 2006 12:59:30 GMT
I don't think Cork or Limerick footballers entice that kind of reaction in neutrals and that's before you factor in the hurling strongholds around the country where people will switch on the telly for the game on Sunday and cry, 'Ah bo**ox - they're showing this football scheidt!' Definitely, til probably be utter fooking drivel up there with that Ulster shite, but since when did RTE ever take heed of what the license payers want. As for neutrals supporting Offaly/Wexford, it must be to do with their underdog status. Everyone wants them to win, same as people hating ManU/Chelsea etc |
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Post by bandage on Jun 9, 2006 8:06:47 GMT
Wexford team versus Offaly:
D Fitzhenry, M Travers, D O'Connor, K Rossiter (capt), R Kehoe, D Ruth, D Lyng, T Mahon, D Stamp, M Jacob, E Quigley, R McCarthy, S Doyle, M Jordan, R Jacob.
A couple of surprises here. Under 21 centre back Richie Kehoe of Faythe Harriers, Wexford Town, makes his debut only a month after coming into the squad. Des Mythen is hamstrung but Darren Stamp is fit. Paul Codd will perform the impact sub role and look out also for young Stephen Doyle making his championship debut - he was the best forward by a distance in the county championship at home last year.
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Post by bandage on Jun 9, 2006 16:10:45 GMT
The Purple and Gold:
A father and son
They stood hand in hand
As they watched Wexford play
From the back of the stand
And the words that he said
I'll hear when I'm old
It is a beauty to behold
When you see the purple and gold
Oh the purple and gold
Is my heart and my soul
From the men of today
To the heroes of old
Oh the purple and gold
Is a dream I still hold
It was a privilege I was told
To wear the purple and gold
I can still see them now
On the All Ireland day
The Rackards stood proud
By God could they play
And the Quigleys stood tall
Every man brave and bold
It is a beauty to behold
When you see the purple and gold
Oh the purple and gold
Is my heart and my soul
From the men of today
To the heroes of old
Oh the purple and gold
Is a dream I still hold
It was a privilege I was told
To wear the purple and gold (x2)
Fade out and scream.
Come on the bhoys of Wexford. Do me proud.
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Post by briantinnion on Jun 11, 2006 19:45:05 GMT
Just back from Kilkenny, exciting finish as always with Wexford. Great defensive display, Rossi was my man of the match. Quite an achievement to win without forwards too, we have real problems from 10-15, only Stephen Doyle put in any sort of decent display. But f**k it bring on July 2nd and the Cats!
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Post by bandage on Jun 12, 2006 8:08:19 GMT
Some defensive display. Rossi was indeed sensational. A mention to young Richie Kehoe also who gave a powerhouse display in the second half. Travers, Doc, Skippy and Gizzy were outstanding too. Stamp did okay in midfield but only Stephen Doyle looked the part up front. Hopefully, Des Mythen will be fit for the final, PJ Nolan should also come in and maybe another 3 weeks training will bring Codd into contention. The same old problem of the half forward line failing to win any clean possession meant that our backs had to deal with an avalanche of ball coming in. To limit them to 8 points was phenomenal. Obviously massive improvement is required and we'll be rank underdogs but then again we were in 2004 also. With the game not being live on TV and Pete Finnerty et al dismissing it on The Sunday Game last night you'd think it was a shocking game but the last 10 minutes was as tough, tense and uncompromising as you'll see all year. It never sparkled but fook it crackled. Come on the bhoys of Wexford - you fought with heart and hand. Sweet.  |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 12, 2006 8:15:41 GMT
Some defensive display. Rossi was indeed sensational. A mention to young Richie Kehoe also who gave a powerhouse display in the second half. Travers, Doc, Skippy and Gizzy were outstanding too. Stamp did okay in midfield but only Stephen Doyle looked the part up front. Hopefully, Des Mythen will be fit for the final, PJ Nolan should also come in and maybe another 3 weeks training will bring Codd into contention. The same old problem of the half forward line failing to win any clean possession meant that our backs had to deal with an avalanche of ball coming in. To limit them to 8 points was phenomenal. Obviously massive improvement is required and we'll be rank underdogs but then again we were in 2004 also. With the game not being live on TV and Pete Finnerty et al dismissing it on The Sunday Game last night you'd think it was a shocking game but the last 10 minutes was as tough, tense and uncompromising as you'll see all year. It never sparkled but fook it crackled. Come on the bhoys of Wexford - you fought with heart and hand. Sweet. Only saw the Sunday Game highlights so it's hard to comment on the game - Loughnane was on earlier after the Cork v Limerick game to comment on the draw and he said he'd heard it was a cracking game. My eyesight betrayed me when I was watching the game later and I thought Wexford were already 2 points up when Doyle put over the last point so I missed the excitement of the finale. He looked classy and the backs were awesome by all accounts. |
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Post by bandage on Jun 12, 2006 12:38:40 GMT
The Sunday Game has become an absolute joke. I'm not sure if it's due to Spillane presenting it (he appears to be always trying to come in with a pre-rehearsed quip rather than asking perceptive questions of the panelists that might lead to decent analysis - Lyster on the other hand knows how to get a good debate going). Last night was particularly awful, some of the factual inaccuracies were ridiculous. Pete Finnerty saying Keith Rossiter had a great game corner back when he played full back for the whole game after an immediate switch with Doc. Did he even watch the full game from the studio or just rely on some edited highlights I wonder? Then to suggest that 'Darragh Ryan opted out of the Wexford panel' is a ridiculous slight on the great man. A man who's had more operations than I can care to remember and who has kept on coming back because of his love for the Wexford jersey. Opting out my arse - he can barely walk at the moment, never mind run and he still harbours the ambition to be back for the Leinster Final.
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Post by therock67 on Jun 12, 2006 12:44:15 GMT
I thought that Darragh Ryan bit was very odd alright. They were suggesting that there had been a disagreement and Darragh was in fine health but had chosen not to play this year. Certainly doesn't tally with what I've heard on this forum.
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Post by bandage on Jun 12, 2006 12:53:43 GMT
Despite the wayward shooting and poor decision making in possession (do the Jacob brothers know how to pass?) I still thoroughly enjoyed the excitement and closeness of the exchanges (probably because we won it I suppose). I'm still going to watch it in full on Setanta during the week, if even just to marvel at how good our defence was. Then again our defence is always good - even when we have conceded big totals against the likes of Cork in recent years it's always been down to our midfield and forwards not competing well enough and totally leaving 1-7 exposed. We need to add height and strength to the forward line and up the work rate. For some reason we match up well with Kilkenny and I expect us to run them close enough. Remember they've lost Peter Barry as well as Carey and Noel Hickey's been injured too. Wexford's game plan will be to try to negate the impact JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh and Shefflin have on the game and see how the supporting cast perform (their other players are no better or worse than their Wexford/Offaly equivalent). Stop 3 of the 3 and you'll beat them (like in 2004), 2 (like last year and you'll run them close) but only 1 or none and they'll beat you comfortably.
The Wexford/Offaly game is being repeated in full on both Tuesday and Wednesday, twice per day with an afternoon and evening sitting for your convenience.
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Post by eamo on Jun 12, 2006 12:59:13 GMT
Some defensive display. Rossi was indeed sensational. A mention to young Richie Kehoe also who gave a powerhouse display in the second half. Travers, Doc, Skippy and Gizzy were outstanding too. Stamp did okay in midfield but only Stephen Doyle looked the part up front. Hopefully, Des Mythen will be fit for the final, PJ Nolan should also come in and maybe another 3 weeks training will bring Codd into contention. The same old problem of the half forward line failing to win any clean possession meant that our backs had to deal with an avalanche of ball coming in. To limit them to 8 points was phenomenal. Obviously massive improvement is required and we'll be rank underdogs but then again we were in 2004 also. With the game not being live on TV and Pete Finnerty et al dismissing it on The Sunday Game last night you'd think it was a shocking game but the last 10 minutes was as tough, tense and uncompromising as you'll see all year. It never sparkled but fook it crackled. Come on the bhoys of Wexford - you fought with heart and hand. Sweet. Loughnane was on earlier after the Cork v Limerick game to comment on the draw and he said he'd heard it was a cracking game. I thought he said that it was a shocking game? |
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Post by therock67 on Jun 12, 2006 13:08:28 GMT
Loughnane was on earlier after the Cork v Limerick game to comment on the draw and he said he'd heard it was a cracking game. I thought he said that it was a shocking game? You may be right. I wasn't 100% sure but I thought he said "smashing" or "cracking" - but it may have been "shocking." I thought it was a dig at the football match which was truly dreadful. |
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Post by eamo on Jun 12, 2006 13:16:28 GMT
He definitely said 'shocking'. He went on to say that Dublin may well beat Offaly and they may get relegated based on how terrible they performed against Wexford.
I am not trying to be smart here but I cannot remember the last time a huling match finished in single scores
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