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Post by therock67 on May 25, 2006 8:39:28 GMT
the Cohen version is superb. Agree with that too; all I meant to say was that I look forward to hearing the Tori Amos version. By the way your avatar is hypnotic; have just caught myself watching it half-a-dozen times. I figured you agreed on the Cohen assertion alright - just wanted to get it down there in black and white, lest we be accused of conceding that Cohen's great songs were not in fact great. Avatar is annoying me because I missed out the litte drag back with the left foot after the first with his right. Aim to fix it up one of these evenings. |
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Post by eamo on May 25, 2006 8:40:27 GMT
I was just about to reply to the same post iamthelaw. I could probably agree on Hallelujah, but with Famous Blue Raincoat - well I don't know the Tori Amos version but I would disagree that it "only became a great song..." - the Cohen version is superb. Not saying a cover version isn't better, but Cohen's version is a great song. Great shout on Strange Fruit though. I have a Jack L version as well. Oh dear. Please desist from bringing Jack L (I think I am Nick Cave but not fit to eat the shite from his arse - sorry for the vulgarity but it is the only way I can express my disdain for the individual) into a serious music discussion. Speaking of Cave, 'Into My Arms' would have to me up there for the first line alone 'I dont believe in an interventionalist God'. Patti Smith's take on Gloria begins her super Horses album with the line 'Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine'. That is writing for you. Shocking statement about Morrissey Goran. And Hallelujah was a great song before Buckley sang it. I hate the way he has became some kind of God just because he died. Grace was an impressive debut and no more. |
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Post by goran2001 on May 25, 2006 11:22:53 GMT
I hate the way he has became some kind of God just because he died. Grace was an impressive debut and no more. Bang on, Eamo. Grace is just that, an impressive debut. Personally i prefer Sketches..., but we'll never know how those songs were meant to be heard. His cover of Hallelujah, though, is more than impressive- and that's why i singled it out. Speaking of covers, though, has anyone heard The Flaming Lips' cover of Can't Get You Out Of My Head? It's stunning, although i'm not sure i forgive myself for buying Q just to get that cd... |
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Post by eamo on May 25, 2006 12:50:45 GMT
I hate the way he has became some kind of God just because he died. Grace was an impressive debut and no more. His cover of Hallelujah, though, is more than impressive- and that's why i singled it out. Speaking of covers, though, has anyone heard The Flaming Lips' cover of Can't Get You Out Of My Head? It's stunning, although i'm not sure i forgive myself for buying Q just to get that cd... Hallelujah is awesome alright. Not a huge fan of the Flaming Lips-overrated in my view |
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Post by eamo on May 25, 2006 13:25:40 GMT
This is in my head at the moment - get you lighters out:
Dire Straits - Brother in Arms
These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day youll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And youll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms
Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
Ive watched all your suffering
As the battles raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms
Theres so many different worlds
So many differents suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
Now the suns gone to hell
And the moons riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But its written in the starlight
And every line on your palm
Were fools to make war
On our brothers in arms
Also this for some reason:
Mariah Carey: I Cant Live (If Living is Without You)
No, I can't forget this evening
Or your face as you were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
You always smile but in your eyes your sorrow shows
Yes, it shows
No, I can't forget tomorrow
When I think of all my sorrow
When I had you there but then I let you go
And now it's only fair that I should let you know
What you should know
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give any more
I can't live if living is without you
I can't give, I can't give any more
No, I can't forget this evening
Or your face as you were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
You always smile but in your eyes your sorrow shows
Yes, it shows
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give anymore
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give anymore
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Post by iamthelaw on May 25, 2006 14:08:38 GMT
Mariah Carey: I Cant Live (If Living is Without You) Can't believe you credit that to Mariah, for whom it was a cover of a cover. Originally composed and released by Pete Ham and Tom Evans (both of whom ultimately hanged themselves, in suicides unrelated to each other or the song), then a huge hit for Harry Nilsson. |
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Post by eamo on May 25, 2006 14:15:10 GMT
Mariah Carey: I Cant Live (If Living is Without You) Can't believe you credit that to Mariah, for whom it was a cover of a cover. Originally composed and released by Pete Ham and Tom Evans (both of whom ultimately hanged themselves, in suicides unrelated to each other or the song), then a huge hit for Harry Nilsson. I was aware that it was covered but I figured that most people would recognise Mariah's incredible version. Good story above. |
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Post by iamthelaw on May 25, 2006 14:26:44 GMT
Speaking of whom, here's a verse from his other big hit (another cover), Everybody's Talking, for anyone heading off to Oz: I'm going where the sun keeps shining Thru' the pouring rain, Going where the weather suits my clothes, Backing off of the North East wind, Sailing on summer breeze And skipping over the ocean like a stone |
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Post by humbug on May 27, 2006 14:44:51 GMT
Have you heard about the big strong man?
He lived in a caravan.
Have you heard about the Jeffrey Johnson fight?
Oh, Lord what a hell of a fight.
You can take all of the heavyweights you’ve got.
We’ve got a lad that can beat the whole lot.
He used to ring bells in the belfry,
Now he’s gonna fight Jack Demspey.
That was my brother Sylvest’ (What’s he got?)
A row of forty medals on his chest (big chest!)
He killed fifty bad men in the west; he knows no rest.
Think of a man, hells’ fire, don’t push, just shove,
Plenty of room for you and me.
He’s got an arm like a leg (a ladies’ leg!)
And a punch that would sink a battleship (big ship!)
It takes all of the Army and the Navy to put the wind up Sylvest’.
Now, he thought he’d take a trip to Italy.
He thought that he’d go by sea.
He dove off the harbor in New York,
And swam like a man made of cork.
He saw the Lusitania in distress (what'd he do?).
He put the Lusitania on his chest (big chest).
He drank all of the water in the sea,
And he walked all the way to Italy.
He thought he take a trip to old Japan.
They turned the whole brass band.
You can take all the instruments you got,
We got a lad that can play the whole lot.
And the old church bells will ring (Hells bells!)
The old church choir will sing (Hells fire!)
They all turned out to say farewell to my big brother Sylvest’.
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Post by timofte on May 27, 2006 17:56:59 GMT
In New York it get hot
well into the hundreds
You can't walk around the block
without a change of clothes.
Hot as a hair dryer in your face
Hot as handbag and a can of mace,
New York, just got a place in New York.
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Post by jimmyhillschin on May 28, 2006 15:22:23 GMT
There are fewer more distressing sights than that
Of an Englishman in a baseball cap
Yeah we'll die in the class we were born
That's a class of our own my love
Were in a class of our own my love
Verse from Time for Heroes by The Libertines
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Post by humbug on May 28, 2006 19:57:46 GMT
B & I Ferry by Shane MacGowan:
Jar! Gimme Jar! Jar! Mighty Mighty Jar!
Gimme Jar! Jar! Mighty Mighty Jar!
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Post by therock67 on May 29, 2006 10:10:22 GMT
Have you heard about the big strong man? He lived in a caravan. Have you heard about the Jeffrey Johnson fight? Oh, Lord what a hell of a fight. You can take all of the heavyweights you’ve got. We’ve got a lad that can beat the whole lot. He used to ring bells in the belfry, Now he’s gonna fight Jack Demspey. That was my brother Sylvest’ (What’s he got?) A row of forty medals on his chest (big chest!) He killed fifty bad men in the west; he knows no rest. Think of a man, hells’ fire, don’t push, just shove, Plenty of room for you and me. He’s got an arm like a leg (a ladies’ leg!) And a punch that would sink a battleship (big ship!) It takes all of the Army and the Navy to put the wind up Sylvest’. Now, he thought he’d take a trip to Italy. He thought that he’d go by sea. He dove off the harbor in New York, And swam like a man made of cork. He saw the Lusitania in distress (what'd he do?). He put the Lusitania on his chest (big chest). He drank all of the water in the sea, And he walked all the way to Italy. He thought he take a trip to old Japan. They turned the whole brass band. You can take all the instruments you got, We got a lad that can play the whole lot. And the old church bells will ring (Hells bells!) The old church choir will sing (Hells fire!) They all turned out to say farewell to my big brother Sylvest’. If ever a post deserved an exaltation it's this one. However, if I could make one small comment: the lyrics I've seen written down always seem to refer to a "Jeffrey Johnson fight." The actual contest should be the Jeffries - Johnson fight I presume: Jack Johnson versus James Jeffries which sparked race riots when the black fighter (Johnson) won the world title from the white guy. |
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Post by eamo on Jun 2, 2006 13:36:32 GMT
Opening line of The Smiths' 'What diference does it make?'
'ALL MEN HAVE SECRETS AND HERE IS MINE - SO LET IT BE KNOWN'
It's in my head at the moment
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Post by bandage on Jun 4, 2006 12:44:29 GMT
Elliott Smith - Fond Farewell
'The litebrite’s now black and white
Cause you took apart a picture that wasn’t right
Pitch burning on a shining sheet
The only maker that you want to meet
A dying man in a living room
Who’s shadow paces the floor
Who’ll take you out in the open door
This is not my life
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
It’s not what i’m like
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
Who couldn’t get things right
Fond farewell to a friend
He said really i just wanna dance
Good and evil matched perfect it’s a great romance
I can deal with some psychic pain
If it’ll slow down my higher brain
Veins full of disappearing ink
Vomiting in the kitchen sink
Disconnecting from the missing link
This is not my life
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
It’s not what i’m like
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
Who couldn’t get things right
Fond farewell to a friend
I see you’re leaving me and taking up with the enemy
The cold comfort of the in between
A little less than a human being
A little less than a happy high
A little less than a suicide
The only things that you really tried
This is not my life
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
It’s not what i’m like
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend
Who couldn’t get things right
Fond farewell to a friend
This is not my life
It’s just a fond farewell to a friend'
I gag for From A Basement On A Hill - the album released after his suicide. This shows how fooked up his mind was. Full of references to his drug taking and littered with thoughts of ending it all. But this song and all the others on the album are delivered in an upbeat style with cracking melodies. I saw it written before about this album that 'rarely has darkness sounded so sunny'. One of my 10 out 10 albums from before.
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 4, 2006 19:13:42 GMT
Controversial I know, but if I'm thinking of the right guy, I think his cover of the Beatles' "Because" on the American Beauty soundtrack is better than the original |
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Post by bandage on Jun 4, 2006 23:25:54 GMT
Controversial I know, but if I'm thinking of the right guy, I think his cover of the Beatles' "Because" on the American Beauty soundtrack is better than the original That's the guy alright. Also love his line from 'Twilight' that goes: 'Haven’t laughed this hard in a long time I better stop now before i start crying' |
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Post by eamo on Jun 6, 2006 8:25:16 GMT
I have his XO album - hugely impressive
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Post by therock67 on Jun 6, 2006 8:34:02 GMT
Smashing songwriter alright. He did the Good Will Hunting soundtrack almost exclusively for anyone who's wondering whether they've heard him or not.
More heroin references on King's Crossing:
It's a Christmas time
And the needles on the tree
A skinny Santa is bringing something to me
His voice is overwhelming, but his speech is slurred
And I only understand every other word
"Open your parachute and grab your gun
Falling down like an omen, a setting sun
Read the part and we turn out fine
It's a hell of a role if you can keep it alive
But I don't care if I fuck up
I'm going on a date with a rich white lady
Ain't life great?
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 8:42:32 GMT
One for the Wexicans:
Irish Soldier Laddie
'Twas a morning in July,
I was walking to Tipperary
When I heard a battle cry
From the mountains over head
As I looked up in the sky
I saw an Irish soldier laddie
He looked at me right fearlessly and said:
Will ye stand in the band like a true Irish man,
And go and fight the forces of the crown?
Will ye march with O'Neill to an Irish battle field?
For tonight we go to free old Wexford town!
Said I to that soldier boy
"Won't you take me to your captain
T'would be my pride and joy
For to march with you today.
My young brother fell in Cork
And my son at Innes Carthay!"
Unto the noble captain I did say:
Will ye stand in the band like a true Irish man,
And go and fight the forces of the crown?
Will ye march with O'Neill to an Irish battle field?
For tonight we go to free old Wexford town!
As we marched back from the field
In the shadow of the evening
With our banners flying low
To the memory of our dead
We returned unto our homes
But without my soldier laddie
Yet I never will forget those words he said:
Will ye stand in the band like a true Irish man,
And go and fight the forces of the crown?
Will ye march with O'Neill to an Irish battle field?
For tonight we go to free old Wexford town!
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Post by pagey on Jun 8, 2006 9:28:49 GMT
Last verse from Gallipoli
You fought for the wrong country, you fought for the wrong cause
and your ma often said that it was Ireland's great loss
All those fine young men who marched to foreign shores to fight the war
When the greatest war of all was at home
The tin whistle in the opening of this song is just fantastic on the Fureys version.
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Post by therock67 on Jun 8, 2006 11:19:48 GMT
Another great shout there Pagey.
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Post by eamo on Jun 13, 2006 9:01:02 GMT
Was listening to an REM mix tape on the way in this morning and these two songs stood out. Both were written in the 80s at the height of Regan's America and the Cold War. World Leader Pretend is one of the top three greatesdt songs ever written. Welcome to the Occupation is from Document from 1987 - the same year as The Joshua Tree and a far superior album imo.
World Leader Pretend (from Green)
I sit at my table and wage war on myself
It seems like it's all, it's all for nothing
I know the barricades, and
I know the mortar in the wall breaks
I recognize the weapons, I used them well
This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down
I've a rich understanding of my finest defenses
I proclaim that claims are left unstated,
I demand a rematch
I decree a stalemate
I divine my deeper motives
I recognize the weapons
I've practiced them well. I fitted them myself
(chorus)
It's amazing what devices you can sympathize, empathize
This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down
Reach out for me and hold me tight. Hold that memory
Let my machine talk to me, let my machine talk to me
This is my world
And I am world leader pretend
This is my life
And this is my time
I have been given the freedom
To do as I see fit
It's high time I've razed the walls
That I've constructed
(repeat chorus)
You fill in the mortar. You fill in the harmony
You fill in the mortar. I raised the wall
And I'm the only one
I will be the one to knock it down
Welcome to the Occupation (from Document)
Hang your collar up inside
Hang your dollar on me
Listen to the water still
Listen to the cause where you are
Fed and educated,
Primitive and wild
Welcome to the occupation
Here we stand and here we fight
All your fallen heroes
Held and dyed and skinned alive
Listen to the Congress fire
Offering the educated
primitive and loyal
Welcome to the occupation
Hang your collar up inside
Hang your freedom higher
Listen to the buyer still
Listen to the Congress
Where we propagate confusion
Primitive and wild
Fire on the hemisphere below
Sugar cane and coffee cup
Copper, steel and cattle
An annotated history
The forest for the fire
Where we open up the floodgates
Freedom reigns supreme
Fire on the hemisphere below
Listen to me
Listen to me
Listen to me
Listen to me
Superb stuff
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Post by iamthelaw on Jun 13, 2006 23:03:57 GMT
one of the top three greatest songs ever written. ... |
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Post by eamo on Jun 14, 2006 8:43:27 GMT
I presume that you want me to list them:
This order changes from time to time. At the moment this is it:
1. Palace Brothers - There is no-one what will take care of you
2. Radiohead - Paranoid Android
3. REM - World Leader Pretend
There are numerous other classical and jazz numbers that I can't include here for comparison reasons
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